Yikes
Same old West.
What do you expect when “protests” involve widespread destruction of private property, looting, fires, and vandalism?
Well a proper response from the government? Not something that antagonize the population, maybe something more human than using ILLEGAL weapons against your people ? Proprety destruction and looting is what you get when you push your people to the brink.
Look, I understand that the people have a grievance, and there are 101 ways to protest that does not include violence and the destruction of property.
And if government would have listened to those 101 ways, People would have resorted to the 102nd way.
Riots are the voices of the unheard. The French govt has a long and proud tradition of violently oppressing protests. Things in France have been contentious all year over a variety of issues. What exactly are the French people supposed to do? A letter writing campaign to stop having their rights stripped away? Sit quietly outside of Parliament and ask nicely to stop being oppressed? Politely ask that the pigs only crush their neck a little? If you abhor disruptive and violent political action done by the people, surely you’ve found the non-violent alternative that works better. What is it?
Riots are the voices of the unheard.
Protests can be.
Riots are criminal attacks against innocent businesses and residents, which contribute nothing to any cause, and only results in aggressive reactions from police and governments.
The French govt has a long and proud tradition of violently oppressing protests.
This is truly unfortunate, and I do sympathize with protesters.
What exactly are the French people supposed to do?
Not hurting innocent people and local businesses would be a good start. There cannot be an effective protest without the support of the community. If you’re burning down the community, then you’ve only made more enemies.
It may be helpful to learn (based on studies) what methods of protests work and why.
If a protest can’t be effective, then it’s a waste of time.
You do understand that, when being discussed empirically, nonviolent protests often includes riots and looting right? Here you go.. I’d also like to add that your own source states that violent protest is effective. And that nonviolient, nonnormative protests are better at garnering public support. They article states the author personally believes those protests may be better at introducing change. Not that it is. They think it might. For a more thorough look into things here’s a video that’s worth your time and consideration.
If government addressed the peoples concerns at the word stage, things would never get to the firebomb stage.
Violence, Destruction, Etc are a direct result of government not addressing grievances satisfactorily.
Except, you can’t mad at a government when half the country didn’t care enough to vote.
You get what you vote for.
Yes, you can. The government is supposed to act in your interest, whether you voted for it or not.
You seem to be exercising a very concerted, propagandistic attempt at blaming protestors for being angry at their grievances not being addressed, and not a single word of criticism at the government facing the inevitable consequences of its lack of desire to answer to their citizenry, forcing citizenry into escalation.
The government is supposed to act in your interest, whether you voted for it or not.
Everyone has different interests and needs from the government, which is why you vote.
Someone who is against abortion will vote for an anti-abortion government. Someone who needs more social support will vote for a government who will fund them.
No government will satisfy the needs of everyone, unless everyone votes! That’s how democracy works.
You seem to be exercising a very concerted, propagandistic attempt at blaming protestors for being angry at their grievances not being addressed, and not a single word of criticism at the government facing the inevitable consequences of its lack of desire to answer to their citizenry, forcing citizenry into escalation.
Far from it. I’m against the use of violence against innocent people and communities, regardless of who causes it.
Governments have a role to represent the people. Unless they have permanent terms in office, the people should use their power to vote, use the court system, use effective forms of nondestructive protest, and form grassroots movements to support their needs.
Maybe you expect the government to do something to stop it? Instead of making it worse? 🤷
Is the answer to let people destroy cities? I don’t understand the reasoning behind wanting inaction against mass vandalism, looting, and arson.
No, the answer is to give them what they want.
Not really. Because “they” is quite unprecise here. It’s the same thing when policits are saying “people want this, people want that”. But people is composed by so many individuals and opinions that you can never say that “they want” something. I guess you can have a majority on some topics but if you’re not changing the way we vote currently I’m pretty sure we’ll never be able to have a 100% positive opinion on something.
If you are a politician and don’t understand why your people are protesting, you need to just step down from your job because you’re very very bad at it.
But that’s not what’s happening. What’s happening is a fight for control. The people vs. the government.
I don’t agree with you, and I believe that this way of thinking is currently making a lot of bad things happen around the world. I hope one day you’ll change your point of view and instead of trying to have people confront you’ll hope they may work together.
I believe you may be a Russian disinformation bot so, agree to disagree I suppose
Like Russia and Ukraine are working together, vatnik?
I guess the issue with that argument is that you only apply it to people destroying things. Though it can be reversed to our political class currently. It’s more insidious of course because they have “the law” with them as they make them. The main problem in France right now is not that we “have a long history of not being in line with our government and to destroy everything”, it’s that at this moment in time, the way politics are handled are very one sided. Our parliament is not listened and cannot vote on main topics (retirement is the main example but there was a dozen like this where government used the famous “49.3”).
So indeed, I agree with you, we won’t go far with violence, though it’s a bit biased to only speak of the degradation and violence of the street when it actually started by the one of our current government, and at the end, the main threat here is that the attention is all focused on the street degradation made by the people and not on the root cause of all this.
And I need to say it again to avoid misinterpretation : I’m in no way in agreement with any kind of violence.
PS : sorry if things are not crystal clear, I’m not a native english speaker.
I do appreciate you sharing that, and it does give me more knowledge about France.
Ultimately, I do hope that the people are heard and can move forward towards a socially productive and fair future.
I hope so but I must say I’m a bit pessimistic on the future of my country in terms of society. But we never now, maybe at some point some charismatic leader with good intentions will shine.
Anway, on a side note, thanks for your way to debate and listen to others. You have been hard downvoted on some of your comments even if they were courteous, but I wish our parliament could discuss topics the way you do it at some point.
I hope so but I must say I’m a bit pessimistic on the future of my country in terms of society. But we never now, maybe at some point some charismatic leader with good intentions will shine.
I’ve been to several European countries, but not France. It pains me to watch these things happen, and it does sound like people are simply fed up with how things have been going (between them and government, or them and the police). I do hope that a resolution can be met without any bloodshed or further destruction of those communities.
Anway, on a side note, thanks for your way to debate and listen to others. You have been hard downvoted on some of your comments even if they were courteous, but I wish our parliament could discuss topics the way you do it at some point.
It’s not Reddit, so I don’t worry about downvotes. It’s a great form of nonviolent protest =)
I dunno if you know literally anything about the French, but Rioting is a long-standing part of their political culture over there. I’d argue it’s a good thing.
I’d argue it’s a good thing.
It got France to this point (descent into authoritarianism), and you think that’s a good thing?
Riots may have worked for France 800 years ago, but not in this modern world, I’m afraid.
It got France to this point (descent into authoritarianism), and you think that’s a good thing?
… Do you know what the French historically do to authoritarians???
Just going along with it is why Russia is the way it is today.
