While I agree that we have a duty to avoid unethical brands whenever possible, there’s just no way to escape them all. I live in a poor country and I there’s a lot of “bad stuff” I have to buy just because it’s what I can affford at the moment.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
This is true… but with some corporations it’s just a case of “fuck you in particular.”
Avoiding every company that does something unethical is impossible. Imo, avoiding giving money directly to those unethical practices is what we should strive for.
Ie, Nestle is notorious for the way it acquires and sells bottled water, using legal loopholes to leave communities without drinkable water, and adding sodium to their water to keep you thirsty and drink more. So don’t buy their water. Assuming enough people do so, the company will, inevitably, stop selling water and focus on products that are selling. Does Nestle as a whole deserve to fuck off? I mean, sure, but, at the very least, we can pressure companies to only engage with the practices that we consider passable.
I avoid Nestle, because fuck their water shit, I don’t trust them to source cocoa reasonably either, and they are nowhere near having a monopoly on good chocolate, so they’re perhaps a bad example. But we can at least push companies around, because ultimately, the only thing they give a shot about is our money.
Sure for sure. And I’m tired of people treating it like it’s all or nothing, OR that it is stupid to boycott! I have my reasons why I refuse to purchase from this brand specifically and not others. We all only have so much energy (and money, mental resources etc) to be able to do so much. Let’s not shit on others for trying, or others who don’t want to. Maybe their energy is spent on other injustices and boycotts. Or just trying to survive. I dont like that they steal water from drought stricken communities here in America, and what they did in Africa. I have the mental resources and the luxury to boycott them so I do. You don’t so you don’t.
The only jerks are the ones who literally don’t care because it has nothing to do with them.
I avoid Nestlé as much as I can, I mostly… I just buy a coffee crisp once or twice a year. It’s one of my favorites and I have not found an alternative I like as much/better.
Nestle isn’t exactly making bank off me, that’s enough.
Yup and as far as I’m really concerned enough to speak up to anyone, it’s if they buy their bottled water. Since like, that’s supporting them stealing water from drought stricken fellow Americans. Most people will be willing to try a different bottled water brand. And I think that’s a really good bare minimum boycott that is accessible, easy, and could spread.
I have had my own insulated steel water bottle for a few years now. I have bought a couple water bottles since, but it only happens when I forget it and it’s a hot day. I still try to avoid Nestlé when that happens.
Nestlé chocolates are bad too, though. They use palm oil in all of it. However, most chocolate companies do. And it isn’t limited to chocolates. Oreos, which are vegan, use palm oil as well, which is why some vegans and vegetarians boycott oreos. Unfortunately there aren’t many alternatives to go to for this issue. The only viable solution for this one is to “stop eating chocolates/etc” rather than finding alternate brands and companies. Unfortunately this one is rather difficult because palm oil is one of those ingredients that has like 50 different names because companies KNOW that palm oil is one of those issues people feel strongly about and try to avoid. So every company will call it something else, or something very, very vague. Avoiding palm oil is like trying to avoid corn or soy.
Soy is quite allergenic, are not there notices about that on your packaging?
There are, but it might not be called so and at the bottom they might write “(may) contain: soy”
I’m talking about pre-made whatever. Salad dressings, sauces, etc. They all have corn or soy in them, sometimes both. It’s hard to avoid it entirely. People with a soy allergy probably have to get specialty brands and/or go to specialty shops since food in North America is so corporate. Many of the food safety laws are a joke. And Canada is stricter than USA. In USA food safety is the whole clown show when compared with the EU.
That’s when you have to ask yourself if you’re ready for war. I’ve been stalked by drug dealers that want me to keep my mouth shut. It’s all the same business minded bs mainstream or street. A heartless man is a heartless man no matter what.
What
Street life brahh. 😭. You don’t want it and no one needs it.
Hopefully you can get out of it someday.
Thanks, It’s getting better… Slowly… but I think I have PTSD now.
Yo man, I think I have PTSD as well, from all the shit me and my wife have been through. You’re not alone in this shit, our society is a people grinding machine. We need to be strong and enjoy the little good things everyday. Wish you the best.
I feel you… I’m from Brazil and it is very hard to escape from unethical brands here!
There can be. Just not under Milton Friedman/Chicago School capitalism, or the neoliberal globalist shoggoth it spawned.
Whether aforementioned eldritch economics are an inevitable stage or not, the million dollar question (whatta bargain!) is whether that stage constitutes the current system’s death-throes. I’d love to know, myself!
Definitely.
Obligatory, fuck nestle!
I was given my alias at 8yo so I was ignorant at the time drinking nesquik everyday.
Fuck nestle.
I don’t hold it against you. You’re a victim in this!!
Shouldn’t be hard, as almost everything Nestle makes tastes like crap.
Maybe stop eating shampoo then. (= They partly own L’Oréal, and by extension all the L’Oréal brands: Garnier, Maybelline, Vichy, Biotherm, etc.)
To your actual point though: A) that depends on which country you live in, given that their products are manufactured differently in each country/region. B) it does also depend on what brand you’re referring to. I find it highly unlikely you dislike EVERYTHING in the Nestle machine. Hot Pockets? Perrier water? Nerds? Smarties??
Ah fuck, Perrier and Smarties are owned by Nestlé? Count me out then 😮💨
I dont think that is true any longer. They had stock at one point in Loreal but it doesn’t seem to be the current case when I tried researching it recently. A LOT of luxury salon hair brands are in the loreal umbrella like redken, biolage, and of course loreal.
Yeah and people act like nestle is just gross junk food. Coffee mate, Starbucks (packaged stuff sold in stores)
That said it was pretty easy for me to quit I only really had to replace a few things myself. Loreal would be way harder
Nestle (as of last year’s financial returns) owns 20% of L’Oreal (L’Oreal details on last share sale, Nestle statement of its relationship with L’Oreal). They reduced their holdings a couple of years ago (down from 23%) but at 20% they’re still one of the more significant L’Oreal shareholders (though not the largest at L’Oreal).
I mean, referring to your second point there’s only cookie crisps (my favourite cereals) and Kit Kat that I really like more than other brands
Kit Kat is unique but it’s not like it’s that good that I can’t choose a different snack bar
Cookie crisps too, I just need to get other brands of cereals, like Kellogg’s! (/s)
I don’t think they sell hot pockets here, and everyone I know thinks m&ms are better than smarties
Man, we need cut a lot of things in our lives to stop supporting these assholes. They’re like cancer, they’re everything. Some things I literally just had to give up completely
When you’re eating a candy and look at the wrapper and it says “Great chocolate flavor.” You can’t call it chocolate unless it meets certain quality criteria.
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Chew em up n rat em out.
“Eat the rich” by finding a candy sold by a different corporation? Focusing on stuff like this is such a pointless distraction from actual issues and solutions.
No, eat these people: https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/NESTLE-S-A-9365334/company/
And then one of these for dessert: https://www.slavefreechocolate.org/ethical-chocolate-companies
Oh no, I’ve been eating the rich this whole time! :O
The issue is… I think it’s gonna be hard to find a non-Nestle candy.
Try ordering candy mistery boxes from sites that sell foreign products, alot of these products are copycats of big brands so most times they are identical or with a new twist. Usualy japanese mystery boxes are the best.
Don’t get me wrong, fuck nestle, but this whole movement that’s grown singling them out is so superficial it really frustrates me.
All of the companies of nestle’s size are up to the exact same shit. They all exploit their employees, destroy the planet, and invest millions if not billions in union busting and lobbying.
I get that it’s easier just to focus on one company, but if you want one thing to focus on, make it capitalism, the system that enables, hell, encourages, this shit, rather than individual products of it.
Even if the movement somehow managed to destroy nestle (never going to happen), destroying one company achieves nothing. Tear the whole thing down.While I understand your perspective, you failed to mention their actions which specifically targeted new mothers in developing countries with unethical actions that resulted in the slow deaths of infants.
This is why I boycott Nestlé. Not poor treatment of employees, nor a disregard for the environment.
Nestlé implemented a plan that caused babies to die a slow and painful death while their mothers could only watch helplessly.
Fuck Nestlé.
