No one would use Teams if it wasn’t bundled together with other stuff.
Let me disagree. My workplace is deep in ms “stuff” - dotnet development + other windows only stuff. Honestly, I got to use a lot of sw for online meetings due to c-19. Well, teams is as shitty as the others. Or good as the others. Depends on what you like to hear. I got used to it, and it does what it must almost always; very often what it should do. I’ve to say something more, but I don’t want to look like a fanboy or similar.
I can understand Teams in Office, particularly O365 for organizations… what I don’t get is Teams being mandatory in Windows 11…
Seriously you can’t have windows without having teams now?
I have a feeling when I finish rebuilding my gaming PC I’m not going to be a fan of using windows again…
I have been using windows exclusively for 20 years now but just made the switch to Linux (EndeavourOS - an arch distro) 1 week ago and I couldn’t be happier!
99% of all applications that I use work just as well (including games) and for the very very few that won’t work (like Valorant) I am using a dual boot setup. The reason that I made the switch was that I got anxious with W10 EOL approaching since I would rather stop using windows altogether than using W11.
I personally do a ton of game streaming to my Steam Deck which is my main driver for using Windows as it works better with NVIDIA Shield + Moonlight, but I highly recommend you give Pop!OS a try. I’m very pro-linux, but for the longest time it just wasn’t there for gaming and I didn’t recommend it. With Valve going full steam ahead for the Steam Deck, Proton has gotten so good that for 95% of games things just work out of the box without any issue. Wine even has support for Easy Anti Cheat now and more features are coming every week.
Seriously you can’t have windows without having teams now?
you can just uninstall it
Or install some alternative OS that don’t have bloatware & ads out of the box!
Wow they were right, you really did tell us you use Linux without us asking!
What about Windows 7?
You mean that extremely old operating system that no longer gets security updates?
Mno no, Windows xp, not 95. 👀
It can be uninstalled.
(Whoops replied to the wrong commenter.)
I’m no big fan of MS. And even if I were, using Teams would make that praise fall in the shitter
But I’m tired of these groups arguing that something should be less complete as a good thing
Why doesn’t Yamaha sue Honda for including their own radio in the car? And surely customers would be irritated that they had to go and get another fucking radio
If I buy “Office Suite” I want it to have all the products included. If I think teams sucks I can get something else
If they make it difficult for that, like they did with IE, that’s a different story. But merely including it? Come on
They tried that shit with antivirus. I’m GLAD MS includes defender. If I had to get all that shit separately, I’d be irritated. And if I don’t like defender, I’m free to get something else
I use a lot of MS products. But when they try to trick me into using their browser every time I update, I have to dig through settings to remove Teams,and I have to install a third party app to choose the browser and search engine used from search bar, it’s clear they’re running amok
Well that’s the kind of shit I was talking about with actual issues. It’s annoying
Same in edge where it keeps trying to enable recommendations and other trash. Even now on my phone it keeps trying to send notifications to get me to use bing chat gpt. You’re a glorified wallpaper rotation, gtfo
I keep edge as my default for work. It’s just easier with the typical shitty intranet that breaks down if you use a different browser
Because it’s more important for businesses to be able to compete for your eyeballs than it is for you to get a usable product out of the box.
First, it’s not a very good analogy. Second, you can put a different radio in your car; you can’t remove Teams without removing all of Office. Third, people would be pretty mad at Honda if their cars shipped with a piece of shit radio instead of something at least nice.
Edit: I take back the part about uninstalling Teams. You can do that. I was thinking of Skype for Business.
Teams without removing all of Office.
Do you mean specifically on 11? Because on 10 you absolutely can.
Now do google and DRM
I’m all into inspecting big companies like Microsoft but this seems a little bit like, over reacting?
They relentlessly try to coerce us into using their browser, messaging, and Bing using windows. They undermine developers of apps like Firefox who try to sidestep their restrictions. They clearly need to be reined in
Yeah, but Teams in Office? Is that really the main problem?
How they pick cases is mysterious to me. I would go after them about Edge first, where they’re doing real harm to Firefox, and Bing. Both of these are also pushed through Office. But maybe there are chat apps based in Europe that provide them jurisdiction, I don’t know enough about it.
I remember a similar case regarding Windows shipping with IE. Whatever happened with that?
They added a browser choice window to Windows 7 where you could select and download a web browser to install. It isn’t present in Windows 10 and on, possibly wasn’t in 8 either.
It’s because you can uninstall Edge now so they don’t need the browser choice thing.
They removed it before Edge existed though.
Ah the ol’ bundle Windows95 with Internet Explorer trick.
