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According to the comments here, innovation should not happen because we already have something. It seems everything needs to be a Windows clone with extra settings and worse UI for it to be considered here. Nothing clean or new that could genuinely help the Linux desktop adoption in the mainstream. The FOSS Gatekeeping continues as always.
I think it is kind of sad that so many people are opposed to such innovations as this is truly what we need as an OS if we want it to be mainstream: differentiating features and a distinct experience. Not a clone that makes people think “oh it looks and behaves mostly like Windows, so it must work just like it!” and then run into a brick wall. I think the main reason people who switch to MacOS succeed and stay and even love it is because 1. MacOS is really easy to learn and 2. People go in not expecting to be like Windows, instead they expect to have to learn a whole new workflow.
If Linux could have such an experience I really think it could help sell the idea of Linux as a separate OS experience/product rather than something that looks and feels like a slightly worse Windows with no telemetry and no forced updates.
Yeah, GNOME is fine. I used KDE for years and got tired of the jank, so now I’m back in GNOME. It’s fine, it launches applications, browses files,and tells me the time, which is about all anyone really needs from a desktop environment. It does a lot more too.
I think it’s a great experience. It’s not for everyone, but nothing is. Use what makes you happy and cheer on projects that fit others’ needs, because the more people use Linux with different configurations, the more functionality we’ll all get and the more bugs will be fixed.
The beauty of Linux is the freedom you get to do whatever you want. What’s not so beautiful however is the people that will tell you the choice you made is wrong and you should feel bad about it and that you are stupid for using not what they chose to use.
Replacing something that works fine, just because it’s old, with something targeted specifically for children is not an innovation. It just makes me fight my tools instead of using them to do my job.
Sounds like a great design direction to me. I’m excited to see how it turns out.
I’m always cautious when GNOME says they’re reconcepting a process that we’re happy with. I’m curious to see where this goes but unfortunately GNOME already lost me to KDE :(
I worry that the changes will forced.
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Gnome devs have a nasty habit of “rethinking” things while ignoring tons of usability issues. I’d like them to stop rethinking things until they addressed those first…
" Traditional tiling window managers solve the hidden window problem preventing windows from overlapping. While this works well in some cases, it falls short as a general replacement for stacked, floating windows. "
In 10 years of working with tiling WMs productively on a daily basis this has been an issue exactly 0 times. Even in a world that is tailored to non-tiling WMs they just perform better. Period.
I used i3wm for some time, configuring default placements based on window metadata and used it for work. after some time I realised I’m 40 years old and shit like this is a waste of time. I just want it to think for me
Seems like using a window manager could be a whole rabbit hole. Where do you begin?
start with i3wm/sway or openbox. openbox is a floating window manager so it should be more familiar and i3wm is a tiling window manager. personally i use kde nowadays but i always preferred tiling window managers when i chose to use one. it all comes down to your choices so first see if you prefer tiling or floating window managers and then go from there
I’d recommend sway and waybar. Waybar offers some cool customizable templates. Currently I also use bemenu as a launcher and dunst/poweralertd for notifications. I make heavy use of stacked or tabbed layout during general use.
sway has pretty decent mouse support, but for optimal productivity try to get used to the keyboard shortcuts. As soon as moving/resizing windows and changing desktops becomes muscle memory it’s a whole different ball game.
Mfw my bug report is open on the videos lol
as a crusty suckless dwm user if this works as advertised I’ll switch
I like this idea, interested to see how they get on with it
again???
Window management is one of those areas I’m fascinated with because even after 50 years, nobody’s fully cracked it yet
The article begins with a false premise, misrepresenting the capabilities of Windows and macOS in terms of window management. In reality, both operating systems have been offering effective window management features for years, dating back to Apple’s Exposé release with macOS Panther in 2003. On the other hand, current versions of iPadOS, and GNOME are plagued by poor desktop experiences that hinder efficient multitasking.
Most of us simply want a DE that doesn’t get in the way, but the “solutions” proposed by GNOME often create more obstacles, slow down multi-tasking, and obstruct proper window management. Instead of addressing these issues, the GNOME team continues to introduce convoluted features that fail to improve the user experience. For instance, requiring users to switch to a full-screen interface to access other applications is subpar UX design - Windows 8 did this and proved it was the wrong approach. Additionally, GNOME’s lacks a decent notification area / menu bar like Windows and macOS. Where’s a way to control what icons show up and what are hidden? What about reordering them?
The GNOME team’s fixation on their own unique desktop vision holds back the progress of desktop Linux as a whole. With its potential to excel in this space, GNOME has an opportunity to become a top-tier DE, but poor decisions such as removing desktop icons and insisting on subpar window management keep it from reaching its full potential, becoming the face of Linux desktop.
Window management in macOS is not even as good as current Linux stuff
Yeah, but it used to be. Why can’t we just pick the good parts instead of the garbage…?
The GNOME team’s fixation on their own unique desktop vision holds back the progress of desktop Linux as a whole.
nah, this is totally wrong, want to have a windows like ui?, switch to every other DE that exist, it’s thwir project, they do what they want, and they can experiment thungs if they want, that’s the beauty of linux
yes, they can take bad decisions sometimes, but don’t act like they are slowing down progreds, because they aren’t, why we want have 200 looklike DEs?
Those preset layouts you get in Windows 11 when you hover over the maximize button are a huge step forward. Also nice is the way it remembers your window groupings and treats them as a single unit when you hover over the icon of any of the applications involved in the task bar, so you can restore the whole window group with a single click.
That said, on my Linux machines I use Cinnamon and KDE, and I haven’t found either frustrating for window management. Gnome lost me during their first major overhaul.
KDE would’ve been great if they had some sense of design and knew how to properly apply spacing and proportions across the DE. But in terms of pure usability they are orders of magnitude above the crap GNOME is pushing for.
I think the current KDE Plasma looks just as good as many of the alternatives. It’s certainly far from the jarring design mess that KDE was for decades, and for the first time in years I’m actually happy to use it.
C’mon this isn’t right:
Yeah that’s not the greatest. I admit it could still benefit from more tidying up. But it no longer provokes the instant “Oh God no!” reaction that used to send me running for anything but KDE.
The ideal desktop would be something like… KDE’s usability in terms of a bottom bar, notification area and menu + the design consistency of GNOME. I’m currently doing that with ArcMenu and Dash to Panel under GNOME but still get annoyed from time to time with a bunch of details.
For instance, requiring users to switch to a full-screen interface to access other applications is subpar UX design
no?, it’s simply easier to click and find the app, it’s not like you are looking anywhere ense when you open windows start, and i use KDE with the fullscreen start-menu
and windows 8 did a lot more shit to just blame it in the start-menu
His ideas are mostly disjointed. Windows got one thing very right, very fast and snappy multitasking and that’s about it. GNOME adds animations, takes the focus from the applications and the information inside them to become the “center of users attention”. This isn’t good, a DE should be almost invisible, as minimalistic as it can be so the user can quickly switch between Windows and get their job done specially on smaller screens. I guess most people running GNOME that say they enjoy never touched Apple’s old Exposé or the current Windows Task View (Win+Tab) this aren’t aware how far and how productive you can be on a very small screen with a simple way to move around.
Windows is always one step ahead because they experiment a lot. their experiments may flop, they may face outrage, but they are always trying new things. and when they find something good they stick with it.
Things appearing suddenly on screen is more distracting than 200ms animations. On Gnome you’re supposed to click the meta key, type the first 3 letters of the app name, click enter, and the app opens. If you can do it fast enough then you won’t even see the animations, if you can’t then the animations aren’t the problem.
MacOS window management sucks, and Gnome/Plasma are already the face of the Linux desktop.
Things appearing suddenly on screen is more distracting than 200ms animations
No, it is not.
Hope they come to the conclusion they shouldn’t be doing it and stop.
Why?
inovation, they can basicly
