I’ve seen a video talking about the leaked Facebook files where it says they should remove true information about side effects. It says Facebook should remove:

True information:

a. Delta: The Surgeon General wants us to remove true information about side effects.

Why do you think people should or shouldn’t know about the side effects of the COVID vaccine?

There are people questioning the veracity of the quote so I’ve searched a bit and found some sources.

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  • Veritas@lemmy.mlOP
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    2 years ago

    We are talking about the US government censoring true information about side effects, you are talking about something different.

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        I love that he keeps referencing “the government” and “the US government” as if they control what other countries do. Like Sweden would give two fucks what the US government is trying to hide, they’d be telling everyone.

        • Veritas@lemmy.mlOP
          01·
          2 years ago

          That was a mistake, I fixed it. The quote is from the US government, this doesn’t have anything to do with all governments.

          • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
            1·
            2 years ago

            No dude, that’s my point. Even if the US government wanted to keep it a secret, why haven’t we heard anything from Australia? Switzerland? Sweden? The EU in general? The US government does not “control the world” dude, you know that right? If it was unsafe and the US was censoring it… other countries wouldn’t have to follow our rules. That’s what I’m saying. if it’s a conspiracy, then it would have to be a global conspiracy beyond anything we’ve ever seen, with zero leaks, with zero doctors coming forward breaking oaths, with no rogue governments.

            There definitely wouldn’t be some video posted on freaking YouTube about it.

            • Veritas@lemmy.mlOP
              01·
              2 years ago

              There have been doctors coming out, you just can’t hear their opinion on the main channels because they are controlled by the US. And there have been videos posted on freaking YouTube about it, but guess what YouTube is censored just as well as Facebook because it’s hosted in the US.

              • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
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                2 years ago

                Oh and the deceased! We be hearing about them world wide, oh and the families of the deceased. What about the friends of the deceased! With that many of those people who have been kept quiet now too. How many hundreds of millions are in on the secret now?

                • Veritas@lemmy.mlOP
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                  2 years ago

                  No one is talking about the deceased. As long as I know the side effects include myocarditis in 1 out of 35 people vaccinated, so if someone dies of it, it wouldn’t automatically be attributed to the vaccine, specially with the US censoring the relation between vaccine and side effects.

                  Myocardial Injury after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 Booster Vaccination

                  But I found the paper in a Rumble video so I guess that makes it misinformation right @Veraticus@lib.lgbt ? Or is it just when you disagree with it?

                  • livus@kbin.social
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                    2 years ago

                    @Veritas your link does not quite say what you think it says/were told it says. Here’s what it says:

                    • 2.8 percent of people in the study had mild myocardial effects (that’s your one in 35)

                    • most of them were women

                    • the effects were shortlived, “mild and transient”

                    • none of them even had any ECG changes

                    • none of them had any adverse cardiac event

                    Here’s a link to the actual published paper which is easier to read in browsers and carries more weight.

                    This is freely available information and I wish more media did cover it in a responsible manner, because this data supports that the vaccine is quite safe - we see the same thing in the larger cohort studies.

                    Unfortunately what we have in many western countries is a “dumbed down” populace that consumes childish media stories with very little information in them.

                  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
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                    2 years ago

                    Good point! Manufacturers of meds, everyone in the supply chain there would have to know so they’d be able to produce more. This is good I was wondering how the supply chain fit in. Truckers suddenly supplying more medication secretly under the cover of night, this all makes sense, this is good keep me going. Who else knows that haven’t told us yet?

                  • sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz
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                    2 years ago

                    From your link:

                    mRNA-1273 booster vaccination-associated elevation of markers of myocardial injury occurred in about one out of 35 persons(2.8%), a greater incidence than estimated in meta-analyses of hospitalized cases with myocarditis (estimated incidence 0.0035%) after the second vaccination.14,15 Elevated hs-cTnT was independent of previous COVID infection or the interval since the last vaccine dose. Among the overall group of participants, hs-cTnT concentration on day 3 after mRNA-1273 booster vaccination as a continuous variable, was significantly higher compared to a well-matched control cohort. Second, all cases were mild with only a transient and short period of myocardial injury (maximum hs-cTnT concentration 35ng/L).

                    It goes on to say:

                    Thus, for the majority of individuals, the overall very favorable risk-benefit ratio of booster immunizations persists.

                    The concluding paragraph:

                    In conclusion, using active surveillance, mRNA-1273 vaccine-associated mild transient myocardial injury was found to be much more common than previously thought. It occurred in one out of 35 persons, was mild and transient, and more frequent in women versus men. Neither anti-IL-1RA, nor pre-existing vaccine/infection-induced immunity or systemic inflammation seemed to be dominant mechanisms of myocardial injury. No participant developed MACE within 30-day

                    MACE stands for “Major adverse cardiac events”

                    I’m not sure what your angle is/was, but the study sounds like it’s not really a big deal at all, compared to the adverse effects of getting COVID without the jab. It’s only interesting from a medical study standpoint.

    • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
      1·
      2 years ago

      LOL dude no, get out of here. I was told when it came out that 200,000 had died of the vaccine. That’s an entire mid size city in the US, gone. Poof. That means everyone in the US would know at least several people who have died from it. Stop acting superior, it’s a proven fact, government or not.

      You are selfish for being afraid of a vaccine. You are selfish for not being brave enough to go get it to add to herd immunity to protect those who cannot get protection of it. You do not have some secret knowledge of government conspiracies, you are not Nero of the matrix and do not have everything figured out while we are dumb NPCs. Go, be brave, get the shot, and move on to something else in your life. If you get a side effect that lasts more than a day, I will personally buy you a coke for being wrong.