I’ve posted some controversial stuff, and I understand why I would be getting down voted for that. But I see some of my posts and comments are in the negatives for seemingly no reason at all? I don’t really care about the karma because I can’t see it anyway, but I’m worried that comments and posts here are gonna get downvoted and dismissed without further consideration solely because of the negative score, like what would happen on reddit. I suspect someone, a troll, a bot, or a misclick downvoted my comment or post and people just followed along downvoting in turn. It’s either that, or I genuinely said something bad but I can’t figure for the life of me that it is indeed bad. My prime example is my support post for commenting under certain posts, why did that get the downvotes? And I see this kind of thing sometimes on other people’s comments as well, and I’m baffled, is it me who can’t understand why something is bad, or hive mind came here too?
EDIT: it seems i wasn’t clear enough. a) I’m not worried about getting the actual downvotes. I’m worried about downvotes stopping to be a tool to gauge content. b) I’m not worried about controversial opinions’ downvotes, I already said I’m not surprised I got downvoted there. I was talking about totally mundane posts, like that one support post. c) I’m not talking about people simply disagreeing, I’m talking about people immediately disregarding a post because of the downvote count. it’s not correct to say this doesn’t happen, it totally does and… how am I supposed to prove that? all it takes on reddit is see a comment on 0 for no reason and see it quickly drop to -5
Maybe it’s on a different account but at least on this account I don’t see any posts on your profile that are in the negative.
I find it interesting how posts like these only pop up asking about downvotes, never upvotes. Does this “hivemind” only do things you don’t like? Is it in the room with us right now?
People have no obligation to interact with anything in any way. There are people who downvote just to make the post go away in some apps. Stop worrying yourself with what gets points. If it’s that big of an issue, sign up with beehaw, afaik they don’t do downvotes at all.
Huh, I looked and also didn’t see many posts in the negative. Then I clicked through to the original instance, and the same posts have completely different scores. Like one post was (+22/-10) on Kbin, and -52 on Lemmy.
The hive mind is whatever the community upvotes. It’s inherent and was always on Lemmy as well as any other place that allows upvotes and/or downvotes.
I read through some of your comments with lots of downvotes, I have a theory why you were heavily downvoted.
First, people use the dowvote button as a way to express that they disagree, not that they think the content is low quality or unfitting. I don’t see how we can change this other than not having a downvote button at all, this seems to be like an outcome of the up/downvote system.
Also, you seem to be a person of principles. I know the reactions too well because I also think similarly. For example, I think judging someone by the color of their skin or ethnicity is wrong, and it seems like you do so as well.
You have a heavily downvoted comment under a post where some Russians faced discrimination and it wasn’t clear if it was happening because they were Russians or there were some other reasons as well. You noted this, and got downvoted because people think racism is ok now because Russia (as a country) is an aggressor in a war.
People are too quick to put you in a box if you don’t 100% follow their narratives and say even one thing that remind them of others who genuinely belong in that box.
Honestly it’s a problem with binary ranking systems across the board. Maybe if there were additional axes you could vote on, like “agree/disagree”, “quality/low effort”, “nuanced/trite”, etc. I don’t know how one would go about implementing such a thing, but until someone does, we’re stuck with having a simplistic system that doesn’t adequately reflect the complicated responses real people have to content.
Unpopular opinion but I think the emoji system of Facebook, Github and Slack are much better. We could have something similar with a limited amount of emojis and rank posts and comments accordingly.
coming from r/PCM I was used more to downvotes being in fact used for filtering low quality stuff out, that being said I already mentioned that’s not the type of comment I’m talking about, I expected to get downvoted in the controversial comments. I was talking about more mundane stuff
Aaaand there we are. 100% of these posts whining about being down voted and censored come from fascist havens or are bigots. Lol PCM. No fucking wonder.
It’s because if you have that kind of mind, your “normal” comments might not be as tame as you think.
Some people are petty and will go thought your profile to downvote everything. I’ve read about and seen some people even stalking users, commenting on every post they make. There was an AuthRight guy on PCM who was followed around and called a Nazi on unrelated subs the moment he commented something.
A) There is no hive mind. That’s just you perceiving a bunch of people who happen to hold a similar opinion as a monolith, and that’s an illusion. You have no data whatsoever to support the idea that they’re thinking in concert or even have the same reasons for their reactions.
- Don’t take it so personally. They don’t know you, and they’re not attacking you by downvoting you. They’re simply expressing “I want to see less of this.”
d) Instead of having a kneejerk reaction when you get this kind of response and immediately being defensive, step back and use it as a reflective moment. Maybe you misjudged the room, misinterpreted the potential impact of what you posted, or are simply on a different track from those who downvoted. What can you learn from it? Do you need to change your own approach, or do you need to reevaluate your audience?
I’m not sure how you can claim there is no hivemind. it’s been a well known fact masses tend to do that. but even ignoring that, I was talking about another phenomenon, where one downvotes brings to another 10 for no reason other than that the downvote was there, which is a pretty common occurrence on reddit. as for d, i thought about that, couldn’t think of anything, except for the political stuff, which I already mentioned. I already said this, because I was hoping to get useful feedback, which completely did not happen.
Sometimes you say things that go down well, sometimes not. If you only ever experience approval in your life, you are doing something wrong.
Who do you think is coming over from reddit. aliens? Cows? It’s humans bro, you’re going to have the same problems as long as it revolves around people and their relationship.
Somehow lemmy is supposed to represent something different while being made up of the same people? This is kind of a silly point to be questioning
Sad to hear the aliens won’t be joining us.
I went through some of your comments to see. The most recent ones where you said that the who categorized meet as bad as plutonium is not exactly right… it put it in the same category as plutonium, but didn’t say it was “as bad” when it comes to causing cancer. Some of your comments are awkwardly phrased and wordy with odd punctuation, sometimes people just get weird about that sort of thing. Obviously your most downvoted comment in recent is about Ukraine and any time you speak a strong opinion on Ukraine and Russia and what not who knows…could be a whole bunch of people from other places coming in to down vote because of political ideology. There are a lot of people on Lemmy with pro-Russia leanings.
Some of your comments that are downvoted to negative 2 or 3 do seem to be for no reason that I can see. 🤷🏻♂️
the “as bad” was an oversimplification I made over there, but guess I’m not surprised at that one.
A lot of your comments come off as passive aggressive or snarky, to be honest, man. Including this one. I took several minutes to look and gave you some thoughts. Sometimes it’s not what you say but how you say it. If you want to say something smart and not care if people like it or not don’t worry about the downvotes. If you do care…change up your phrasing to show people you are listening and offering something constructive.
how would I change the phrasing in the prior comment
Sometimes, hypothetically, you post cringe. It’s ok, I post cringe sometimes too
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It’s rare to feel like downvoting every post on a user’s profile. But when it happens, the person is always a piece of shit. I saw some people saying that you are a fascist. If true, that’s the reason you’re getting the downvotes, it’s because you’re a piece of shit.
I’m not even sure what I’m doing to be a fascist tbh
He said “if true”
Personally after a quick 10 second scroll of your profile you seem like a curious but chill guy 🤷♂️
It could be that you’re posting stuff to the wrong-but-similar communities/a particular community could be a bit hostile towards some viewpoints/not reading sidebar rules before posting
yeah I know, I was talking about other people calling me that.
It’s changed in a matter of a week or so. I can’t even believe the drop in quality contribution. It’s actually made me upset. I was so excited, with such sound discourse. But I’m just seeing:
This. What he said. This is the way.
Etc.
Very. Very. Disappointed.
Yes because this isn’t a reddit phenomenon but a human psychology phenomenon
I’m not sure, but I guess there is no real way to address this until we have public downvotes as on Kbin.
You can see your “karma” with the lemmy client Memmy.
Which posts are you thinking of? I looked at your history, only one post appears to be in the negative, and that’s in c/support which to me suggests you might be posting an already discussed problem.
I had already looked for such a question to avoid duplicates. it also seems looking at accounts from other instances changes how you see the voting
The question you asked was pretty similar to this one:
https://lemmy.world/post/1674334 which had been asked a couple days prior.
And my guess is that vote counts from different instances should look different depending on which instances each has federated/defederated with.
and that was not the issue I was having. nor was the fix working
It’s the same sort of issue, comments not showing up. Which is a pretty generic problem.
It just seems pretty silly to attribute this to a hivemind. Interestingly, when people upvote your posts, you don’t attribute that to a hivemind…
not not showing up, comments not being posted altogether. the post was about being unable to comment on some specific posts from different instances, being able to comment on other posts from the same instances, it has nothing to do with that. and no, I do, the same type of phenomenon does happen with upvotes, just to a minor degree. because downvotes provoke a bigger reaction. I’m an example. I just listed the downvotes cause that’s what I noticed. I was worried about the downvotes because I couldn’t figure out why random comments got downvotes. why do these replies keep having to be this kind of gotcha’s
why do these replies keep having to be this kind of gotcha’s
In two cases in a row, your first inclination has been to claim persecution instead of any “hey, why might people be disagreeing with me?” Maybe, instead of defaulting to “I am correct, why are these people voting incorrectly?” think about how your actions, comments and posts are appearing to others?
I don’t post in c/support community, nor am I really inclinced to read much more of their post history. (Though the community does say to send bug reports to a specific site rather than create a post.)
Instead of sending a bug report in, you’ve made a very short, not particularly descriptive post without examples, without mentioning what client you’re using to browse, not saying when (did this happen during a ddos attack?) This is pretty non helpful from any tech support standard.
So, in my own support work, I would be annoyed if I received this because it means instead of giving me anything useful, I have to coax information out of the client as I would a child.
As to the wider “why are people downvotint/being negative?” I mean, your FIRST reaction to negativity is that everyone else must be a hive mind. Instead of looking for any culpability, you’ve just determined everyone else must be wrong and crazy. That’s more than a little insulting and speaks to a persecution complex. It’s silly when trump does it, it’s sillier when you do it.
You’ve basically accused the Lemmy community of being too dumb for independent thought simply because sometimes your comments are downvoted or disagreed with. Not only is that impressively childish it’s incredibly insulting. No wonder people are primed to disagree with you! I don’t imagine your comments are randomly being downvoted, I imagine you are similarly missing social cues or otherwise being, possibly completely accidentally, a complete dingus.
Instead of accusing everyone else of being too stupid for independent thought, maybe consider what in your behaviour is provoking such a reaction. And be grown up to admit that not everything you say will be upvoted and some of it, will, gasp be downvoted.
I had already addressed everything you mentioned here in the post
