Some perspective from a user who’s been on Magic Earth for well over a year:
- It works very well. With a few quirks, it’s like 90-95% as useful as Google Maps for a majority of personas
- It’s a mature app, finds most addresses (with possible exception of recent changes like a business moving)
- Does surprisingly well with being current on traffic conditions
- While not FOSS, they seem to be open about what they sell of your information and it’s in aggregate, so I’m much less worried about location data being tied to other online dossiers I’ve left in my digital paper trail.
I found that Organic Maps and OsmAnd+ just couldn’t cut it at all for finding addresses, routing wasn’t super great (or intuitive), and otherwise rated very low on family acceptance as a replacement for Google Maps. I used Acastus Photon for addresses and frankly it’s not that much better and the workflow was janky and pretty useless when you want to plot route waypoints. Magic Earth was the bridge between fully de-googling and having a livable acceptance factor. So far I haven’t seen them doing anything they don’t claim (not getting in trouble privacy-wise), so I’m good.
I would say “privacy friendly” is accurate in the title - but this is not FOSS. Even so for those looking to de-google without losing utility, I recommend it and am glad it exists.
Edit: I wish some apps (looking at you Starbucks!) would use a default mapping engine like Magic Earth instead of expecing Google Maps on Android phones (Graphene, Lineage, Calyx)
Thank you for your feedback
Maybe I’m misunderstanding it, but as far as I see it, OsmAnd’s non-free assets include the entire UI (layout + icons).
Since the UI of an Android app is an essential part, I don’t consider OsmAnd to be opensource.
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It might be “privacy” focused, but it’s not open source
Then it’s a good thing it was posted to the privacy community and not the open source community.
Can anyone point to the source code please? They claim it is “privacy friendly”, so it cannot be proprietary, right? right? right?
Your comment got me curious so I had a look.
Will Magic Earth be Open Source?
No; since it is also used commercially (we have a paid Magic Earth SDK for business partners), we cannot make the code public.
Oh ok so there is no way to independently verify its privacy or security. Doesn’t belong in this community then IMO.
I think you have a wrong understanding of software auditing. Software can be closed source and 3rd party auditors can assess if it has good privacy and security implementations.
Being closed source doesn’t necesarily mean it’s bad (for privacy/security).
But then you have to trust, 1, the auditors (I assume by your comment you mean the people given closed door access to the code, reviews it, then publishes a statement saying their claims are valid, that kind of third party auditing?); 2, the code they disclosed to the auditors is the actual complete codebase; 3, that between the current version and the next they did not add anything fishy; and last but not least, 4, the binaries they give you is actually built from that codebase and nothing else, since you can’t build it yourself if you’re really that worried.
I don’t fully disagree that you can have a private and secure proprietary app, sure you can, but I argue that there are some really big hurdles and you can never have 100% trust in it. Whether these things is a dealbreaker depends on your own values, opinions, and threat model, of course. If you’re choosing between this and Google Maps, then this is almost certainly better in terms of privacy and security.
I suppose you can also decompile it and analyze it that way, but that’s very difficult and compared to reviewing an open source app, pretty much no one is going to do it. You also don’t have the same level of community attention and contribution on the code itself as an open source project would where people are forking it, implementing features they want and sending pull requests, and going through the codebase to learn how it’s implemented in order to develop their own projects. All of which gives many opportunities for other developers, usually ones very concerned about privacy and security themselves, to notice and sound the alarm on unethical or insecure code in the app, basically getting tons of community driven audits all the time.
How many people are actually auditing an open source app themselves though? And if they don’t, they again need to trust others’ opinion.
Proprietary.
Just get OrganicMaps
Organic routing just isn’t very good sadly. If it were I’d use it
Just downloaded and happy. Thanks for the recommendation :)
Shoutout: we have a community here to on lemmy: !openstreetmap@lemmy.ml
As soon as Organic Maps can route better, I’ll switch back to it for driving. Magic Earth is my current tool. For routing and traffic shaping, it’s as good as Waze. The driving / routing map (for me) is better than Waze or Google maps. I desperately want Organic Maps or OSM to work better.
What problems have you faced with organic maps? I have used it have a dozen times and had no problems. Does it not find the best path?
Organic maps is OK and will get you to where you need to be, but routing is odd. It’ll sit you in the worst traffic and doesn’t know about road closures etc.
Organic Maps is nice, but working with GPX files is still very terrible. It has no direct way to import GPX files created on desktop, you can only open them from the disk, and they will look very strange, not like routes but like a bookmark. But as I see, Magic Earth has even worse capabilities for GPX.
FYI, from the FAQ:
Why is Magic Earth free? What is the business model?
Magic Earth is free for all our end-users but we also have a paid Magic Earth SDK for business partners. For instance Selectric.de (a supplier for navigation solutions for ambulances and fire trucks), Smarter AI (developing ADAS systems) or Absolute Cycling (using the platform on bicycles). For more info on the SDK, you can check magiclane.com.
Does it work with Android auto?
Project seems dubious based on other comments but I’ve yet to find anything that’s good and respects privacy while also being on Android auto.
It does yeah, the UI is very similar to Google Maps
Not open source no thanks. I’ll stick to Organic Maps.
Seriously, y’all should try organic maps, particularly if you like to hike in places without reception.
Doesn’t seem to be available for iOS in the US App Store.
Ah that’s strange, I wonder why that is. I installed it from the app store a while back before it was removed, which is why I still have it on my phone. Not sure why they did that.
Currently using Magic Earth as its the default map application for /e/OS (mobile OS). Been liking it for the most part, but sometimes searches for a place comes up with results that are way far away.
So what’s the catch? Not sure if the answer in the FAQ really answers the question why it’s free. “Magic Earth is free for all our end-users but we also have a paid Magic Earth SDK for business partners. For instance Selectric.de (a supplier for navigation solutions for ambulances and fire trucks), Smarter AI (developing ADAS systems) or Absolute Cycling (using the platform on bicycles).”
Don’t know but guessing, they are using open street maps so they can’t charge for it. Not sure as I have not looked into the licensing of it but assuming something like that.
It (ios app store) says not available in my region. does anyone know where I could find what region to spoof to get it? (also I know I should get android im working on it)
GMaps VW (android only) + Organic Maps is the best open source mapping solution imo.
