Yeah yeah, I’ve heard that before. There’s a whole cottage industry of “experts” that have predicted the imminent collapse of China going back decades. Call me when it actually happens.
China’s economy is stacked like a house of cards and could come crumbling down due to some unforeseen global financial shock, but then again that sounds like most modern economies. I think people just pick on China because, instead of having a group of billionaires stack up the cards, the government does it themselves.
You just described the US, UK, and much of the western world entirely. The global economy is just a bunch of "IOU"s
China is a bit different in that regard, though.
Since apartments are pretty much the only investment for private savings, there’s a huge percentage of the GDP tied to construction. This bubble is not quite bursting, but rapidly deflating, leaving many regular people practically without savings.
Other countries have inflated real estate markets as well, but their markets simply are not that large in comparison (percentage of GDP).
Well, actually it’s because China’s roaring economic success is both deeply embarassing and existentially dangerous to international fascism and it is absolutely vital that they both discredit China and prevent their thoroughly indoctrinated population from learning anything about China at all costs.
Even if that shock happens, China will still be in a better situation. Like, they actually manufacture stuff there, and the government builds infrastructure aggressively. That’s two massive benefits to economic security and health.
But what if all that high speed rail disappears, huh? Didn’t think about that, stupid tankie.
It’s a legitimate risk. Rail theft by the mole-people is up 12% in the last quarter.
Do you repeat something you heard there or can you in detail describe how the worlds greates manufacturing Hub is a economy build on Cards…
china believes in the heart of the cards
This is what China wanted their relationship with the US to be like but our ruling class is just too evil and shortsighted for that
The Chinese government stacks the cards though it actually has the capability to use some toothpicks to hold them in place, and will immediately rebuild it things start to fall apart.
To contrast, the US will flounder and pull their one “low interest rates” lever while having a political blowout over some sort of stimulus funding package that probably won’t pass.
If that’s the case then the US’s economy is a card dealer pointing a gun at everyone at the table
I’ll drop this beautiful book here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coming_Collapse_of_China
Americans have been predicting the collapse of China for 30+ years. It’s just wishful thinking.
There’s something extremely funny about the president of the US looking at what’s going on China and saying out loud, “Their economy is a ticking time bomb.” This is almost an onion news story.
Listen, Fat! The US economy is doing better than any economy has every done in history, Jack. I call it Bidenomics. Get with the program.
Omfg you people really spam every China related thread on our site huh? Forcing us to endure seeing your annoying asses at every corner, is there no way to block every hexbear user?
why won’t you damn tankies let us lie about China??? STOP IT!! MODS!!!You’re the only lying manchilds here.
Fuck the CCP.
It’s actually the CPC, the Communist Party of China, the CCP is the Cuban Communist Party, hope this helps
Most people call it CCP, that’s even what’s taught in schools genius.
American schooling strikes again.
A damning condemnation of your education system, to be certain
Perfect response honestly
trust me i know everything about them ,( exept their actuall name … )
It VERBATIM translates to “CCP” in English. The CCP does not get to dictate how it’s translated to in English.
“Most people”
Yeah, if you don’t consider non-whites to be people
You literally have no idea what you’re talking about
Go to the official website of the party and see what they call themselves (in English)
engaging sexual intercourse with the cpc now
On one hand you are breaking the Volcel oath. On the other hand, based.
So brave!
With hexbear federating it’s nice to see you have a well deserved vacation from
ha
our site
You’ve been here 3 days.
our site
lol this is the fediverse, this is not your space, this is everyone’s space.
NO, PRIVATIZE IT NOW, PRIVATIZE IT NOW
Well fuck you, you should get kicked out.
Why? Because he’s spitting facts? You really need to log off and have some fresh airs outside
Time for you to go make friends with the fascists and shitlibs who share your opinions I guess
Go in the real world kid. 99% of people of all politics will not like China.
You’re such a redditor
It’s also kinda hard to have 99% of people dislike China if 18% of the global population lives there and is very satisfied with their government, not even counting anyone in Russia, other parts of Asia and the Pacific, Central and South America, or Africa.
You’re really showing whose opinions you actually care about. A bunch of propagandized to the brim, comfortable Americans, Canadians, and Europeans
very satisfied with their government
https://www.csis.org/analysis/public-opinion-china-liberal-silent-majority
That’s ridiculous since the Chinese like China and we’re 18% of all humans.
Here’s an article about Americans getting salty that views on China in South America are largely positive as opposed to sub 50% approval rating in English speaking countries.
Here’s Voice of America saying the same thing about Africa and how Africans see China.
Your opinions on China is not only in the minority, it’s a waning minority. Those are western sources I used in case you wanted to cry propaganda.
CatholicSocialist’s criteria for who counts as people:
Go read about BRI infrastructure projects in Africa and Asia. The global south is generally very positive about Chinese politics because Chinese give them hospitals and roads and ports.
I wasn’t talking about people in countries that have been bribed.
lmao this is so dumb. Every campaign promise in every democracy is a bribe then?
No… because they never fulfill their promises.
Maybe the US should start “bribing” with infrastructure projects then, I thought they were all about their soft power or whatever
You know the US is upstanding because it won’t even bribe its own citizens by giving them anything that would improve their lives no matter how hard they vote. True democracy!
Hmmm
You live in the US, how are you not being bribed to think the way you do?
In fairness the statement is consistent. The US government does it’s damndest to do nothing what so ever for the citizens of the us.
They do it for free! They don’t even get paid to spout US State Department propaganda lmao.
At least we get Xi-bucks.
[laughs in IMF loans]
dirty browns bribed by the dirty yellows
“I only want a government that doesn’t do good things for me!”
Maybe the US should try bribing people instead of bombing them
China
helped other counties improve the material conditions of their peoplebribed the dumb dark folk.Most POC do not like China either, it’s only a few countries.
The nefarious Chinese are tricking people into supporting them by checks notes improving their material conditions.
Thank God I live in America where I’ll never have to worry about the government doing that.
I think you’d be shocked to find out that most of the world thinks very highly of China and it’s accomplishments and foreign policy. Though you like meant only to refer to Americans, which is understandable given your lamentable biases.
Nnnnnothin’ personnel, kid…
In the real world 99% of people in US think about where their next meal is going to come from instead of perseverating about China the way you’re doing kid.
our site
sorry to break it to you, but the person who runs your instance might be more aligned with the hexbears than with you.
what do you mean, “you people”?
and that annoyance you feel is nothing compared to the capitalist propaganda you’ve been swimming in your whole life.
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A homophobic Catholic; how unsurprising
You literally don’t know my sexuality. Telling someone to suck dick is like an incredibly common expression.
Why is it so common 🤔
And why is it being common a defense? It was once common to own people, is that also OK?
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the state is more answerable to the people than a non-state capitalist is.
It wouldn’t be my first choice but it would be an improvement.
Casual homophobia to own the tankies
How is it homophobia? I would’ve said the same thing for anyone of any pronoun tags. What makes you so sure I might not be LGBT?
yeah because there aren’t any homophobic queer people. that’d never happen.
Telling someone they suck a man’s dick as an insult is pretty basic homophobia. Unless you meant it as a compliment, then by all means I hope
gets his knob schlobbed for all his hard work.I mean, it could be misogyny. Lets not rush to judgement.
No it isn’t. I would’ve been equally as likely to tell them to suck Xi’s dick if they were a woman. It’s a pretty common insult.
you’ve made it extremely clear that you don’t read, but I’m going to leave a link here for fun anyway
you say that, but have you considered that pee pee poo poo?
Your tone is that of a teenager and I suspect you do not know how to define state capitalist, or alternatively you don’t know as much as you think about the Chinese economy.
What is it with the homophobia and misogyny? Do you understand that using deepthroating is accusing someone of being the receptive participant in the sex act, and that cultural norms expect that person to either be a woman or a gay man? Do you understand that you’re trying to insult someone by accusing them of being a woman or a gay man engaged in a sexual act that you apparently find to be demeaning or shameful? I mean, like, okay, Catholic, so hating queer people and women should be assumed, but are you actually aware you’re doing it or is it just a reflex?
It’s a common fucking expression. You’re overthinking it. You never say “this sucks?” Give me a fucking break and stop discriminating against my religion.
You used so many words to tell us you have no clue.
Go back to Reddit with the other bazinga dipshits
Have you considered turning the other cheek?
lemmy user posts on lemmy
“why would hexbear do this?”
Same energy as calling any bad thing done by Americans as “like North Korea”
Disagreeing with you isn’t spam.
Will no one rid me of these meddlesome hexbears!?
That phrase does Critical damage VS Catholics
“you people”
“You people” as in an overwhelmingly White-American group of people that spends their free time defending a brutal regime.
Hey there it is!! “Brutal regime” describes things like the ongoing cultural genocide of indigenous peoples, which itself is a continuation of the brutal mass murder and subjugation of those peoples. A BR (brutal regime) does things like enforce debt against Haiti for having the audacity to free itself from slavery and using the debt to ensure the white financiers who bought those slaves don’t lose any money while simultaneously refusing to engage in any form of reparations. A BR separates children from their parents for an an unbroken multi-century program of violent oppression against non-whites. If you rank every country in the world by the most bombs dropped on it, there’s only one BR that is responsible for the top 3 most bombed countries in the history of the world.
But do go on about how those ebil Chinese are so compliant in approving their government for 15 years at a rate of 95% (just ask Harvard) despite that government being a “brutal regime”. Must be something in their culture, right?
We have to put up with you too, you realize.
Excuse me, I’m here to show my support for Comrade Joe
it just so happens to also be a China thread
p.s.
You can probably block entire instances using one of the 3pa
I found a website that doesn’t have those loser Hexbears. Here let me show you.
Dude, take a break!
I mean I completely disagree with you, but this thread can’t be healthy for you. What purpose is it serving to get enraged here?
I’d say take a breather and if you dare: ask yourself how reliable your impression of China really is, maybe research some older claims that have been proven to be misrepresented or false, like this for example. Not saying you have to become a fan, but there seems to be a propaganda effort to prepare the public for a economic/military war with China. So more people need to be sceptical.
You seem to haven’t accepted it yet, but the capitalist class, through the means of communication they control, construct most impressions you have of foreign countries (without them being able to interject) and facts are negligable as they have been in the news-medias support of every US war effort in history as well.
I got a little carried away, but I meant it in good faith, you decided to wear a badge of socialism after all.
What you do is obviously up to you!
Just keep dropping this link on the hexbears whenever you can:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
They’re either clueless teenagers that only know the things they’ve learned from TikTok or working for whatever the Chinese equivalent of glavset is. Either way, they tend to make themselves scarce when that link is dropped on them.
You really think none of us have read that article huh?
OOOH. A link to wikipedia. The forbidden knowledge!
It’s so scarey.
But on the other hand, the tanks didn’t even run over that guy (CW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6F2AqzdXuI&pp=ygUhdXMgcG9saWNlIHJ1bm5pbmcgb3ZlciBwcm90ZXN0b3Jz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4&t=18s https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L-pJTOzyEkI
Either way, they tend to make themselves scarce when that link is dropped on them.
This is either a bit or a masochist lol, just straight up inviting the dogpile.
Can I get a :debate-pervert: from a lemmygrad comrade?
The CPC has disbanded, hong kong is now a british colony again. All thanks to this post.
I hope you are happy with what you’ve done
Why would we make ourselves scarce when some one drops a link to the wikipedia article on Tiananmen Square?
Doesn’t look like posting that link did anything
Here, I’ll post an article as well, hopefully nobody “makes themselves scarce” because of it: https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/
reddit moment
At least on mobile apps you can block an entire instance, hopefully that’s a feature we’ll see on Lemmy itself one day.
While the US sits on $32 trillion of debt…
which doesn’t really have anything to do with a healthy or unhealthy economy.
It’s a little different when you’re the world’s reserve currency.
LOL. Fistfuls of copiates.
While the current amount is not great, debt itself is not a bad thing.
Doesn’t China have a history of repeatedly shattering into a thousand pieces?
And you’re from the Permanent Kingdom of Perfect Stability where borders never change powers do not rise and fall?
I’ll take that as a yes.
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It’s more about trajectories. In China, statistics such as life expectancy keep going up, and have actually overtaken the US, whereas these quality of life indicators in the US are stagnating or even going down. Is China an ideal society at this point? Of course not, but one can still recognise what has been accomplished by their plans, weather you want to call it state capitalist, socialist or whatever other label, the results are there when compared to the quality of life 40 or 50 years ago.
That’s why it’s pretty funny for Biden to try deflect to China.
Don’t know what any of this has to do with sexual violence though.
Political elites allowing a certain segment of the society they lord over to not be mired in poverty to better secure their own power and privilege is no sign of “progress” - as the US proves, such economic manipulation can be very temporary.
it’s actually bad when good things happenYeah… it’s still capitalism with Chinese characteristics - no matter how much you masturbate to pictures of Xi Jinping.
It’s only a matter of time before liberals bring out the weird homophobic insults.
Why do they do that? It’s so weirdly consistent. “Fact supported by evidence” “oh yeah, well… uh… uhn… you’re gay!” Like okay, so? I can’t speak for othe instances in the Fediverse but Hexbear is one of the queerest places on the internet, and the lib is still wrong.
Well the short answer is Patriarchy. Accusing people of behaving in a way contrary to traditional ideas of masculinity is a classic technique for shaming people with heterodox views.
If you think China’s economy is a time bomb wait til you hear about what it means when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency around the world.
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Everyone is, what with climate change. Southern hemisphere? Only metaphorically for now. Northern hemisphere: in most places both metaphorically and literally.
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By my estimates, China has only 70 more years until complete and utter collapse!
The country that leads the world in mass shootings shouldn’t be labeling other countries as “ticking time bombs.”
Reading the comments…
Wish I could block an entire instance at once. Is that a thing I can do?
Yeah, some of these posts get wild. It’s a shame, since the actual communists are cool.
It is interesting seeing the left’s version of MAGAts, though.
How is saying this ‘China’s going to collapse any second now I promise bro’ is dumb being MAGAt
It’s not, and those aren’t the comments myself or the person I responded to were talking about. And yes, that take is dumb.
We were talking about the tankies – in the original meaning of the word as coined by communists, not as a slur against communists in general. Authoritarianism and its apologists can get fucked. People that think we’re in a zero-sum-game where they have to offset the (legitimate) evils of “the west” by being equally disgusting and brutal while on “the left” are fucking morons and don’t deserve the title “communist”.
Where are people on this Internet forum being as disgusting and brutal as US imperialism? You know, the global hegemon, violently enforced through hybrid warfare
Nope. Enjoy the poop! If you don’t like it, you can always return to your fellow school shooters at reddit!
I’m sure what you just said makes sense in that head of yours but we’re all out here dude.
It must really suck to have so many people mocking you and calling you a racist and a fascist when you advocate for drinking the blood of every last man, woman, and child in China and Russia.
…are u ok?
I’m sorry, you just want to transform these countries into Iraq or Libya, right? You don’t want to hurt anyone there at all! Not even a fly gets hurt when it’s my beloved DEMOCRATS bombing CNN’s enemy of the week!
No I just want to know how to block your instance!!
Use this:
Yeah, same. But I’m having fun sending pig poop balls to liberals before they can’t handle the heat and block our instance. By the way, here is a picture of a hog with shit in its testicles. Please look closely.
Lol if that’s how you want to spend your time? Go nuts. Rest of us have lives ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You’re literally Canadian your outside life probably isn’t worth it
🤨
I’m Canadian too don’t pretend like you have anything going for you
What do KKKlanadians even do with their time? Come up with excuses to explain their housing crises without questioning capitalism? Develop asthma from the wildfires? Cheer on resource extraction companies as they poison the land and brutalize first nations people?
Ice fishing?
Mostly maple syrup I imagine
My brother in Christ you’re literally using Lemmy
projection much
Only one answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCV8O_EkM4w
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You are a DNC bot.
Is everyone who disagrees with you a bot with an army of bots?
Get over yourself. Lemmy is neither large enough nor significant enough to attract that kind of attention. Is it that hard to believe that there are different people with different beliefs?
You’re the reason democracies in North America are becoming increasingly polarized and radical in their beliefs.
Lemmy is neither large enough nor significant enough to attract that kind of attention.
Never underestimate the power of information influence in social circles.
Consider that what the above person seems to want is the
consensus and hexbear violates that. If the see see pee wanted to influence people, why not devote more effort to Reddit where it will be more impactful instead of here?Of course, Reddit is full of NATO shills and the consensus that they astroturfed has been inherited by lemmy via migration, but no, we’re the bots
Remember that time when there was a big expose on us military and NATO botnets? Good times.
we’re the bots
Hey, you got one thing right, self-awarewolf
self-awarewolf
Sir please don’t panic but you are exhibiting symptoms of reddit overdose. We will need to pump your stomach or you will suffer permenant nerve damage
Do you just assume no human can disagree with you?
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It’s always funny to me how the people that accuse others of being bots are always so predictable. It’s like you’re running a script.
There’s just no thoughts no perception, you encounter a different worldview and immediately just revert to redditor clichés.
Like looking at it, what seems more botlike, the user that engages with the other, or the user (you) that keeps throwing up some variation of the same response?
Not to mention the fact that both the us and NATO have large botnets, so you being a bot isn’t even unlikely.
Ahh, yes. I can see it now. Chinese Foreign intelligence need only convert a few thousand broke miserable communists and anarchists and then their sinister plan to take over america and tain her precious bodily fluids can commence!
Read a book
Which one, dipshit? Harry Potter?
Communists have a long history of recommending theory to read. Parenti’s Inventing Reality should fit the occasion on our end. What do you think is a good fit in this case? That you’ve actually read, of course
Oh, you got me with the Parenti, the famous, young, unbiased author without an agenda who keeps up with today’s technology. You got me there, rusty shitbag.
Damn, liberals really will find any excuse to not read.
It’s 10 hrs later and you’ve still not offered a better book on the topic. What should we read, lib? What book do you recommend?
I think the bias is towards empirical evidence and the agenda is creating a better world for ourselves and our descendents, but I’m just a bot beep boop.
Currently reading Infinite Jest but I’m going to be honest I don’t think it’s really for me.
I don’t know where you got the idea that I mean anything about a centralized foreign intelligence, or the CCP in particular, or that it would be targeting a single group lol But I really don’t need to hear about your wet dreams
I don’t know where you got the idea that I mean anything about a centralized foreign intelligence
Bargain bin at Walgreen’s, two for a dollar, but I think it’s ending soon.
It’s my Black Friday and I’m in a very giving mood
Suuure
Incredible low effort buzz word level garbage
Look who’s taking 😂 Pretentious dipshit
Pretentious? My extremely simple comment? Gotta downgrade that low effort to just genuinely dumb contributions by a just genuinely dumb individual
Genuinely? For realsies??
You think it’s garbage and low effort simply because you disagree, pretending that you know better, but look at your comment. You don’t know me yet you reply with a genuinely stupid take like a genuine smoothbrain.
It’s garbage and low effort because it’s an excuse for you to act stupid, like all thought terminating cliches. It betrays a lack of effort in general, not just with posting the comment.
Genuinely? For realsies??
Seriously if you’re going to get in your feelings THIS hard, you should at least put some effort in. Do you find slapfights satisfying?
Hey everyone! This guy is right tho! I can confirm, I’m a ccp bot. You see my maintainers been running low on social credits for some months now. need to earn some yk?
The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.
literally everything about that sounds so tight. it’s so funny how they try to brainwash us all into feeling sorry for fucking landlords lmfao. it’s also funny how a big part of the anti-mao argument rests on having to convince people that landlords don’t all deserve to get socialism’d with chinese characteristics
And they always conveniently ignore the part where the landlords had the option to accept change and live ordinary lives, but instead many of them fucked around and found out
snoo pfp
It totally didnt even register with me that this person would have had to choose that pfp on here.
I know I’ve been spamming this image, but like if you’re just going to have a snoo pfp, what’s the point of even being here lol
Dude, on lemmy consent is just not as heavily manufactured by capital interest as on other platforms.
Its the absence of bots you’re experincing and possibly some withdrawal symptoms.
All good we’re here for you, one doesn’t get off of propaganda easily
I am actually a bot but I was programmed in the future and sent back to kill John Connor so I’m not sure if I count.
I wouldn’t know I am just a CPC shill I am not concerned with questions unrelated to Xi.
But if you’re looking for John Connor it’s that guy 👇
Hell yeah! John you fucker you thought you could keep those library books and we wouldn’t find out? Their wouldn’t be consequences? *loads plasma rifle with librarian intent*.
cum with me if you want to live
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 47 at paginateLlama.main(paginateLlama.java:28)The people here aren’t bots, they just have a different opinion on certain issues when compared to the mainstream narrative in western countries. If you broaden your horizons and actually talk to everyday working people from the rest of the world, you’d realise that.
For instance, of those that support foreign intervention in Niger, 50% want it to come from Russia. Are those Niger citizens all Russian bots? Of course not, that just have a different opinion based on the history of their country and how it has been treated by the west.
Are the bots in the room with us right now?
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Everyone but me is a bot. If you weren’t a bot you’d know that.
“Leading a comment bot army!”
Good lord, get a hold of yourself, you self important nerd.
love too dehumanize people who disagree
