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    Until the dude making all of these claims presents actual proof I don’t believe a word of it. So far all he has is hearsay, he can’t identify the people who told him things, the few people who he did identify haven’t come forward to my knowledge, and all of the documents he claims to have are top secret and not releasable to the public.

    When you’re making a claim as big as “aliens are here and the government has their ships and some bodies from them and is also covering it up,” you need to provide more evidence than “I know because multiple people have told me but I’m not allowed to say who, also ive never seen them, and I have documents to prove it but you can’t see them because the government says so.”

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    All this talk of national security is eerily familiar… They actually did the same after 9/11. I think they are just trying to get more military funding for a war against aliens that never comes, and drum up fear so they can take away even more rights from the people, all in the name of “national security”.

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      Why would they need that? They never needed such a big excuse for more funding before, they kind of just do it anyway regardless of public opinion…

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      Yup. Show me the actual UFO and I’ll pay attention.

      Also, nearly everyone has at least a 1080p/4K camera on them at all times these days, so why can’t anybody seem to produce clear video of one?

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        I agree with you wrt a UFO. However, yes, people have 1080p on a cellphone, but unless the UFO is about 15-30 feet in front of you, the longer lenses on cellphones are mixed quality at best still. So if someone is pointing a recent “100x” phone at a UFO in the sky, the footage still isn’t going to be very clear / good. It’s also difficult to track these “UFOs”, probably because of all sorts of interesting optical and atmospheric events even making them unidentified. But even trying to “zoom in” on a commercial plane from miles away to the extent you could make out much detail is not exactly easy, and there it’s usually going in a at least in theory predictable flight path, and moving “slowly” - just the distance giving such a tiny FOV from the camera …

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    Every UFO “sighting” throughout human history has amounted to absolutely nothing, so I have the same expectations here

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    We don’t hear about them anymore, therefore the aliens have given up on researching or invading or infiltrating the hooooman planet.

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      Cynical take: To kill us. Dark forest style. Send out automated drones and kill off all other life that could pose a threat.

      Other thoughts: If aliens showed up it we wouldn’t detect them in atmo, not as a quick fly by. We’d detect something huge like engines or something going real fast way out in space. Like on the edge of the system. If they were in our atmosphere they would make themselves known one way or another at that point.

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      For the same reasons we would visit them, for cultural exchange or to steal their resources in the case of the US empire.

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        I appreciate the stab at the US empire, but if I may be serious for a moment: It makes no sense to come here to steal our shit when there’s countless stars and planets in the universe. I don’t even think it makes the least bit of sense for humans to ever go to Mars and mine minerals there, given the logistics involved. Any alien smart enough to come here is going to be smart enough to realize that going to the pub is way easier and more fun.

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          The only question you need to ask to determine practicality is, “What is the return on investment?” We don’t mine the seas or asteroids because they wouldn’t be worth it. However, as soon as the technology becomes cheap enough, you can bet that there will be investors putting money into extracting resources from those locations. The same principle applies to other planets – if it’s profitable, it will be pursued.

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            Launching spacecraft from earth and putting them into various orbits needs a lot of energy. It’s just going to be cheaper to mine stuff on earth or recycle. With fully automated robots and something as close as Mars and mining something super rare and valueable maybe, but it gets exponentially stupider when you need to send humans or go to another solar system.

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              The maximum likelihood estimate date for AGI according to metaculus is 2027

              After we achieve AGI you don’t need to send humans anywhere because a robot could do anything a human can and probably better.

              And this Kurzgesagt video explains how asteroid mining could be done. Unlimited Resources From Space – Asteroid Mining

              You are right that it wouldn’t make much sense going to other solar systems or invading alien planets when there are so many minerals on asteroids and planets closer to Earth like Mars.

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                Yeah the artificial intelligence gurus are deluded. And don’t get me started on Kurzgesagt, those fucks think a couple of billion dead due to climate change is reason to be hopeful, and that Bill Gates’ investing in carbon capture is going to save the rest, because, err, magical thinking he gives them money.

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    I totally heard my buddies talking about UFOs. They saw them, trust me bro. I cant show you any evidence though, just trust me bro. It is such an obvious attention grab by a man who’s brain has suffered from PTSD

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    About the same as I feel about Jesus toast. The proof is dubious, and until I see better, my default opinion is one of skepticism.

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    “What can be told without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”

    Until they back their claims with evidence open to the scientific community and press, that’s just smokescreen and diversion. The are more important things to care about right now.

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    Not a single shred of physical evidence has been presented for any of the ‘sightings’. Basic photography and physics explain the new videos. Just lens flare, bokeh effect, parallax motion, etc. Nothing extraterrestrial, just your average unintelligent American pilot.

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    CIA planning docs show that when they overthrew the Guatemalan president in 1954, they plotted planting “flying saucer” stories to distract the media.

    Another declassified study shows the Air Force misled the public in the 1950s about UFOs to conceal the CIA’s spy plane testing.

    Just something to think about…