Why would communist support capitalists like Putin and Xi-Jinping which aren’t better than Liberal-capitalists ?

I am all in for stopping liberal capitalism, but I am more interested in implementing a happinex index like Buthan than living in oligarch-capitalist-regime like Russia/China

  • Followupquestion@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    Basically they’ve bought into the idea that the West, neoliberal capitalists to the core, is the root of all evils, so the leaders opposing the West must be good. Unfortunately, the enemy of my enemy isn’t my friend when it comes to geopolitics.

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    Basically because there’s enough people on the planet that some are going fall into any camp that gets created. People seek their own identities, which sometimes involves moving away from things other people are believing in.

    Possibly an adaptation to keep the species from getting too complacent, which we’re a little inclined towards otherwise, probably due to our social nature. It’s a vulnerable state though, can’t have the whole species going extinct every time an ice age comes.

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    Well if you’re going to be so specific as to say “genzedong-style”, maybe pay attention to the “zedong” part? Presumably they believe in socialism-with-chinese-characteristics as a path towards communism.

    Putin idk, in my experience they usually only support russia insofar as it undermines the hegemony of the United States, whose consolidated power over global affairs has been a major blocker of left wing movements worldwide since ww2. But there are some who seem to take it more seriously than that and either are too caught up in the memes or legitimately don’t understand that modern russia is a capitalist hellscape.

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    2 years ago

    Comparing China to Russia is laughable.

    One has a competent government the other doesn’t.

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      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t say that US are great or whatever. I say that as a socialist, modern China is pretty far from the kind of society I would like to build, and just like I blame some comrade for falling in the social liberal trap, I blame others for falling in the anything against US is good trap

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      “I’m not a Putin apologist, I just coincidentally reach the same talking points as Russian propaganda through my totally unbiased research!”

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        russian propaganda is actually far beyond this, claiming that they are saving the people of the donbas from genocidal ukrainian nazis, which that guy didn’t say. Saying “hey maybe this isn’t as one-sided as western media makes it out to be” is actually closer to a centrist position

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      The people of Ukraine didn’t want to be Russian, they wanted to be more like the West. Their leader at the time wanted Ukraine to get in bed with Russia and the rest of the East. They ousted him. Putin seized on their moment of weakness and instability by invading.

      Could the US have played a role? Yeah but every country with the ability to project any power almost certainly did as well. That’s just geopolitics at work for better or worse.

      Every single country on Earth exerts influence on the others to benefit themselves. Look at Ukraine cozying up with the West right now to get weapons and notice how the US, UK, and other Western nations are happily obliging. Ukraine wants to be Western and the West would love another long-term ally, especially one next to Russia. Anyone really think Eastern nations don’t do the same thing? China is exerting a ton of influence in Africa right now, and it’s not out of the goodness of their hearts - it’s quite predatory actually so they’re no different than the US in that regard.

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          2 years ago

          “China doesn’t require austerity”

          Please expand on exactly what you think this means.

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              The west isn’t the good guy but you’re nuts if you think China isn’t sucking Africa dry.

              I just watched a documentary recently (I will genuinely try to find it again and link here if I can) where Native African workers were being put out of business by China in their own country. China is mining for rare Earth metals using Chinese workers and trapping a lot of these countries in debts they won’t be able to pay back. Once I saw it coming from the mouths of Native Africans, I knew it wasn’t propaganda from either side. Straight to the source - people who live there and see it every day. They start out very grateful for China’s assistance and then later on realize the trap they are in.

              Here is some other info: https://apnews.com/article/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-developing-countries-collapse-8df6f9fac3e1e758d0e6d8d5dfbd3ed6

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                There’s plenty of info of African leaders thanking China approach in Africa. African leaders are not dumb , if China offers a better credit card and infrastructure plans than some western countries they will choose that. Yes, it’s that simple.