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  • This is exactly the type of narrative about Snowden’s alleged sainthood that I was talking about.

    Snowden publishes content in his social media that directly aligns with russian propaganda messaging (and can be directly correlated with calendar events) and also openly boosts and promotes anti-Ukrainian rhetoric. For example, statements like “all Ukrainians are Nazis” by Glenn Greenwald, (who I will add says this without being stuck in russia). I will also add that Snowden is clearly deeply engaged in his social media fame. Surely if he had reservations about being forced to promote russian genocidal messaging he wouldn’t be shitposting about the Nvidia 5000 series GPUs.

    I say Snowden is a piece shit for doing this.

    You reply that we must ignore this and we must always assume that under any and all conditions the bad things he does is because of someone else and he always innocent.

    You’re making a claim of innocence that goes against the evidence that we do have (his social media account, that Snowden himself states is not run under pressure), yet you weren’t (initially) willing to make any arguments to back up your claims.

    You then bring up Navalny. What does he have to do with what we are discussing? Did you bring him up because that’s all you know about russia?

    When did Snowden start a russian political party that opposed putin’s rule? How did he start such a party without knowing russian? Did he do it remotely from the US? And russians supported him even though he worked for US intelligence? This does not sound realistic.

    What sort of information did Navalniy reveal about US domestic spying? Are you saying he left Germany and returned to russia because he was afraid of being captured by US authorities for revealing classified US intel info?

    This is a very sophomoric argument that assumes the russians are some star wars bad guys that are incapable of any kind of sophistication in their external influence operations.

    I never said anything about Snowden being a bad guy for not publicly opposing russian interests. I said he is a piece of shit for going along with supporting russian genocidal imperialism. These are two very different things and I don’t understand why you are bringing up “opposing putin”.

    All that Snowden had to do was to not promote russian genocidal imperialism. Or at the very least to not be so casual about it if as you claim (for which you provided no arguments) he was pressured.





  • I am not putting words in your mouth. You literally state that it is impossible that Snowden made a decision to support russia for more malicious reasons. The only scenario you are even willing to consider is that he is innocent by default and he was pressured, without even a drop of nuance.

    I’m merely stating the most likely explanation for his actions.

    How do you know this? Can you read russian? Have you ever had any type of contact with russian officials or members of the elite (in any capacity)? What do you know about russian doctrine on foreign propaganda? What other historical examples can you cite to strengthen your argument?






  • The issue is that he is supporting russian genocidal imperialism. His messaging clearly aligns with russian propaganda goals.

    Is it not reasonable for me to consider him my enemy (he directly supports doing harm to me, my family and my fellow citizens)?

    As far I am concerned, I hope Snowden and his family will one day be on the recieving end of russian brutality.

    I don’t buy the logic of “he did one good thing, so it’s fine for him to promote russian genocidal imperialism”.

    If he can’t stay consistent, he should have never got involved in the NSA issue in the first place.

    He clearly enjoys the attention (just look at this post). He could have simply shut up and not worked with russian security services (the russians wouldn’t kill him, they need him alive).