Jesus Christ this is Windows-tier insane computing behaviour from Ubuntu. Fuck Ubuntu.

Unsubscribe from politics communities temporarily? Or do you browse by All or something?

Which ones? What for?

Really the only service of such extreme convenience I can’t help but use it is cloudflare tunnels for quickly selfhosting and their cheap asf domain registrar.

Still, I don’t host anything via cloudflare per se even as a noobie.

Not sure what else you need.

No-ip’s DDNS is relatively wonderful.

Scammy in a sort of eastern european sleazy used car dealership way, I had to talk to their support once about a double charge and it felt like Roman from GTA IV was on the other side.

Fuck cloudflare, fuck the corporations and fuck their shitty centralised web, past present and future.

Long live the free and open internet!

How are there so many people ITT who genuinely don’t even understand what OP is asking and are arguing about something else completely that they thought up in their head like whether we should do away with the floppy icon because it confuses people now or if their youngsters know what a floppy is or if they do or if there’s a better icon to us now that can represent saving.

None of those are anything to do with OP really.

What OP is asking is if in 10000 years the next human civilization after our collapse that has no concept of computers and probably no electricity or industry nor potentially any grasp on our language or alphabet stumbles upon a functioning computer from our civilization, how do we tell them which button is the save button, when all shared symbolic context has been lost?

Consider the same question but for radioactive waste, how do we ward off potential future pre-industrial human civilizations from our nuclear waste sites to stop them dying to radiation poisoning for possibly tens of thousands of years until they develop an understanding of radiation and the equipment to measure it? Well, something like this maybe:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_nuclear_waste_warning_messages

Though maybe given this thread, we should instead be considering how to convey very simple abstract questions to the pre-industrial people on lemmy.world instead, especially when it appears they have only a rudimentary, GPT2-esque grasp on language.

Huh? Did you respond to the wrong user?I’m not OP, I don’t go out talking at people at work.

All of my friends are already pretty much on the same page more or less, it’d be hard to be friends with someone who is against human rights or doesn’t care about such things as I’m a minority.

The question i posed in my comment was about a societal scale: what do you do to reach a disengaged electorate or an electorate that has no desire to know the truth and is not actively seeking it out whatsoever, instead believing things that re completely transparently false.

Because as it stands, the current strategy of content online or in traditional media simply ends up preaching to the choir, the lectures containing truth end up reaching only those who seek them out and as such already have an allegiance to the truth and likely at least to some extent agree with them, or see them as epistemologically well justified beliefs imperically and/or logically.

I personally rather obviously can’t make friends of like 50% of the population of a country for instance, so it’s not really a workable solution lol and I don’t think that’s what you meant.

So how do you show those people who believe transparently false things because it suits them the truth and teach them to want to seek out truth and want to believe the truth and to spot falsehoods and not be swayed by rhem, when those people have absolutely no interest in such things?

And if you can’t, what do you do then? Because these people will literally destroy a democratic society if given the chance.

That’s 100% true and a fault in OP’s attempt, but the broader question remains, if some people don’t seek it out, what do you do then?

Roughly 3 days as well. The shakes were crazy since I was drinking coffee and abusing amphetamine like mad as well.

Yes but like exercise, intellectual exercise feels good too. The question is why do some people not do it.

Yeah, but what do you do when a good chunk of the population doesn’t go ‘seeking something out’, yet vote and influence the lives of those who do anyway?

All anyone wants to do is lecture me about how they are right, and I am wrong if I think different than them

The only relevant question is - are you wrong?

Is your take actually valid? Based on sound imperical data? Is not fallacious? Does your reasoning stand up to scrutiny? Is it fact, or a belief? Is it a justified belief?

Ultimately you shouldn’t need to be coddled if you have any allegiance to the truth.

It’s one thing if a 3-year old gets 2+2 wrong. It’s another when it’s a 33 year old. Would you waste energy on that, or would you assume that the 33-year old doesn’t care enough to bother no matter what approach is used?

The unfortunate reality is that democracy as a vehicle for progress is a failure because not enough people have an allegiance to the truth, nor have the basic epistemological tools for determining what’s knowledge, what’s belief, what’s a hypothesis, what’s theory or what’s valid evidence or any idea of what the scientific method even is, or what an axiom is etc.

They favour their delusions (I don’t mean religion specifically) over truth.

Idk I listen to politics lectures all the time, most of which I don’t fully agree with, many I disagree with outright, listening to other takes, especially opposing ones helps me scrutinize my own reasoning and critically analyze what’s what.

It’s not really the lecturer’s fault he was lecturing, if he was right and so he should be lecturing others on truth. Much like any subject really.

This idea that all opinions are equal are how we ended up in a post-truth world.

Thought-terminating clichés of “everyone likes different things” or “people believe different things” are not just signs of a lazy intellect, they are the harbingers of our doom.

You can have beliefs that aren’t facts, in fact - you have to, but you can’t just believe whatever, you need to be able to justify it, and to do that you need to understand logic, you need to understand evidence, you need to understand the scientific method and how to reason.

We are all but dust, my friend.

That’s very fatalistic. In the end, unfortunately, for now, maybe, but that doesn’t mean the journey doesn’t have memories worth making and things worth keeping, especially when it comes to our bonds with others, and especially when it’s just undeniably useful, or we’d never have invented writing.

And I guess you’ve got nothing to offer there

I mean I gave the reasons many times over? From personal to purely practical. If they don’t seem to have value to you, that’s on you. I don’t know what else you want?

Implying that the only value I recognize is monetary? Don’t be a dick.

You’re the one who said you’d keep them for a podcast? I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be a dick, i was just going off what you said.

Are you just sitting around reading conversations from months ago for entertainment or something?

No not really, not outside of if I’m reminiscing with the person the convo was with (see examples in my other comments ITT), but I will ctrl+f and find info that way of something they said to me for sure.

What value are you getting out of keeping chats from years ago?

Access to information? Not deleting things I might need or that might be useful later? Memories? Records of things that happened?

Kind of the same reason you’d keep a diary, but without the effort of actually writing anything in one. What’s even the point of writing anything if it’s just gonna be gone in like a week?

What value are you getting out of deleting them? Are you low on storage or something? Or some sort of minimal living life-in-my-backpack type?

Not in the slightest. For what purpose would I want that? I’m not making a This American Life podcast using my inane conversations.

Monetary value isn’t the only kind of value to me I guess. Different strokes.

What exactly would I want to look up beyond say a week’s time?

Uhm, anything and everything? Like what “casual bullshit” you were up to or what you were “organising”?

In-person and phone conversations fade away all the same.

So you don’t even wish you could preserve those?

That’s crazy to me how different some people’s idea of social relations is. Well you do you! Thanks for explaining!

Why?

Surely when the chats are on-device they are not encrypted, or encrypted separately with an unrelated secret in storage which can be passed to another device?

SMS is inconvenient and expensive and I can’t really send SMS messages from desktop. I use IM because it’s more convenient, not because it’s more secure, though it’s a neat bonus.

And why would you not be looking that up months or years down the line? Why would you want to trash it?