Great thread, thanks for posting.

For the last long while I’ve considered the feelings people are having as similar to a dog that barks before an earthquake or when cows lay down before it rains. There may not be an understanding of the origins of our prophetic rumblings but their validity should not be discounted.

As for what form our future will take I find it sad watching all of you struggle with the evidentiary overload. It is not nearly as important to worry about what will happen as it is to decide what common outcomes there will be and how you want to prepare for them. Food and energy supply, gone. Government control and protection, gone. Reliability of these networks people talk of building, gone. What do you want to do in these circumstances? Starve? Kill? Die?

None of this is worth worrying about. Don’t let anxiety paralyze you. If you choose to do something then look at the broader picture. Do things that lead you to where you think you’ll be content. Learn to kill. Learn to die. Learn to survive. Many are taking that approach.

One last point. There is much of humanity that holds such promise. There is also much that proves our animal origins. My personal take is that we should absolutely be exterminated, though I’ve chosen to try to survive. Had we overcome our notion that our goodness as a species was beyond our taking the necessary steps to avoid this outcome, perhaps we would have conducted the necessary genetic engineering and population control that could have saved us. To be fair, very few would have thought this was even possible 50 or 100 years ago, but any such thoughts were very carefully controlled by people who knew better or were intentionally blinded by greed. It is these people I will be taking out my frustration on.

Sorry, I know this is not a positive message. It’s never popular to say the quiet parts out loud. The main point is I want to say don’t be discouraged. Good luck.

This is disgusting.

Someone was favouring extra expensive contracts with private medical contractors.

Good point, hadn’t thought of that lol.

That’s just trump trying to swing the vote toward pp. It’s so obvious I think/hope the only people stupid enough to fall for it are the ones who already vote conservative.

I cannot profess to knowing that which I did not read, per say. Lol

Damn you!

As I said I won’t be reading this post I think it would be hypocritical to read any responses, so I won’t be reading this one either. Thanks best buddy!

Just for that I won’t be reading this post.

A list of those beers please. Am happy to chip in! Cheers

Although I think the volatility of sourcing is probably not a factor in most business (I’m not just talking food), I agree as with everything there would be details to work out. A reasonable exception with regard to information on packaging could be accommodated with a posting on their website. This whole packaging issue has recently been exposed as BS given how quickly and efficiently company’s recently changed packaging and labeling in order to deceive their customers. From my perspective I’ve had enough of corporate crybabies. Thanks for your thoughts and example.

Thank you for adding more substance to my rant. Is the reason for a private business not to disclose the origin of their inputs exactly that by not doing so it deprives me of my right to express my beliefs? Obviously any existing laws or regulations are exactly where I am trying to force change. I don’t agree with the protections offered under trade secrets as I am only suggesting they are forced to add a list of countries and only a percentage of the inputs they represent. In addition I’m already tired of corporations hiding too much under the “trade secret” banner. In general I have not been a fan of corporate governance for some time and feel it is time to bring them to heal. I know this opens up a whole can of worms but I would argue it to the end. Thanks again for your thoughts.

I’m a lazy, not so bright contrarian who doesn’t know the details enough to have formed a sensible defense. What I do know is that I have a right to express my beliefs through my patronage and I’m currently being inhibited in that effort by the intentional obfuscation of the information I need.

I understand the many inputs that are involved but if you take the accounting side of things it would take nothing to identify a % for each country involved. The difficulty you suggest sounds more like a marketing complaint. Company’s have all been only to quick lately to demonstrate how convenient it is to change their packaging.

For years I’ve been thinking about forcing a change to the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act mentioned here by issuing a charter challenge. My stance would be that not forcing company’s to list all countries of origin and the percentage of material and labour that they make up denies me the information I need to make an informed decision. I have a right to this information so that I can express my support for or against areas of influence that affect my life. Anybody think this would work?

I’m late to the game so I’ll probably skip that step.

There is a lot to be said for the positives of an end to democracy. The electorate of Ontario shouldn’t be trusted with these important decisions. This has been true since I started paying attention in the 90’s (so not party relevent). I regret not taking a different path in life to kick ass and chew bubble gum.