Lol rich coming from a class of people who can’t even open up a fucking pdf in their email

Toque!

Yesss a vermonter I’m down please give me some healthcare

Do notice I said under neoliberal Trudeau :)

You have the most freshwater resources in the world and the American west needs it (not defending belligerence!). I’d imagine Russia has decent fresh water but I’m sure you have something they don’t. Whether it be strategic location (with a warming world, more shipping routes as well) or simply more resources…

I’m not sure growing Canada bigger via immigration was the best move for you (at least how it turned out with neoliberal Trudeau). As I understand it your real estate market got fucked because you couldn’t build fast enough for the influx breeding resentment in non immigrant Canadians against newcomers. That’s ripe for exploitation of social division in the future…

Now growing Canada by absorbing part of the US… that might be a good move. We’re getting increasingly fed up with the situation and a dissolution of the union looks possible in a way it never did before.

There was some very shady shit that happened during and after the maiden protests. And there’s the US’ gangster based economy of “defense” aka weapons export. The Mexican president just alluded to it in an address about tariffs in Spanish re fentanyl and organized crime, how 3/4 of the weapons are from American “defense” industry with American military involvement.

I don’t trust the American narrative about Russia, but I also don’t trust the Russians. And I like communism. Capitalism leads to barbarism, Marx has been right about capitalism all along.

Have you ever thought as a Canadian that you’re being put in some weird tug of war between Russia and the US over your natural resources? Something real weird is going on here.

Just remember - most Americans especially the northern states that you trade the most with don’t want this and we have long been held hostage by a government that seems to be completely couped by the far right since 2000, starting with bush’s stolen election and the packing of the federal courts, overturning of citizens United, let it happen 9/11, fraudulent forever war on terror, and then of course what it’s led to with the multiple trump terms and the coup of the SCOTUS. We don’t have a legitimate government and the democrats are complicit as they’re also corporate captured and pro imperialist.

I think if things start to get bad Canada should work directly with friendly US states and make us an offer we can’t refuse, seceding from the US and joining Canada. Most of us would be happy to stop subsidizing the red states that drag us down in exchange for healthcare.

Fully responsible is a pretty big jump. The maiden protests were definitely a Victoria neuland production (Obama admin, undermining Obama’s official foreign policy…) but russias military maneuvers are a pretty aggressive response. Ukrainians have the right to their own country free from any interference, US or Russia.

That was under the previous administration… musk is hollowing out federal jobs so I bet the wait will be tough. Especially as more frogs realize that the pot is boiling…

You’re out to lunch, musk is couping the government and breaking it on purpose.

The technofascists want their fiefdoms and they’re trying to kill most of us so they can rule the rubble. Curtis yarvin, look him up.

Called my mom last night, told her to renew her passport asap.

Most people are like “the waters warm, this is nice, what are you going on about???” And I’m like “hi yes this water is scalding hot and about to boil we need to get out!”

I have a hard time with anyone being called a Russian shill, or a Chinese shill, or whatever. I’m not Canadian and don’t spend much time in this part of lemmy, but I like hearing views from others even if they’re ones I disagree with.

*most of the US. My state (vermont), not so much. Trump support is fairly low across the board.

Re foreign interference, you are referring to now. and you’re not wrong! But I’m referring to a future where a hot war happens. Who will intervene? Who will take advantage of the situation? We have no idea and I don’t even think it’s possible to speculate. America has so many enemies (for good reason) the list could be endless. As for Canada, you’re full of natural resources, who knows who might find that appealing while you’re in a war with the US. All hell breaks loose. I’m a strategy person, I like thinking these things through, the crazy what ifs. I can’t even imagine what will happen if it gets to that point.

As for canadas fighting abilities, give yourselves some credit. Not just hockey, y’all kicked so much ass in WW1 we needed to have the Geneva convention. Most Americans think they’re so exceptional that no one can beat them. But the truth is we haven’t won a war since ww2 despite spending all of our money on war. Should it come to it I believe Canada would give america a run for it’s money.

I hope it doesn’t come to it. I wish more Luigi’s would spring up and take the technofascists and their puppets in government out. But I don’t have high hopes and I believe the future is looking extremely bleak.

And that’s ignoring climate change. Add that in, permafrost melting and another pandemic springing up out of it, we’re so fucked. The global elites know and they have no country. The world is theirs for the taking and that’s exactly what they’re doing.

Maybe in ~1970 we could but our oligarchs shipped all of our manufacturing abroad. And even so, raw materials come from everywhere.

How the fuck is Elon fucking musk taking over all these different us bureaucracies? Don’t know but it’s happening. The “law” is a fig leaf. They don’t give a fuck.

Yeah. It would be a very risky big leap, but I think some blue states would be interested. Vermont went overwhelmingly for Harris, and we have an independent streak and history of our own. But other blue states would be harder - California and New York seem bright blue but they aren’t - the cities are and the rural areas are not. Vermont receives more federal tax money than we pay, not as much as the red welfare states but a considerable amount. I think New England as a whole would be interested but New Hampshire would be a wildcard. It could inflame a neighbor against neighbor civil war… people stupidly think a second civil war would have clear battle lines like the first. No way.

The biggest risk besides outright hot war would be foreign interference outside of Canada and the US. The US has made a ton of enemies with our foreign policy, and with us in obvious disunion they could start arming sides like we have done abroad. Or straight up invade. Or go after their own geopolitical aims closer to home (which I care less about, I’m tired of being the worlds police that few ever asked for).

One of the benefits is the US government hasn’t outright won a war since ww2 and the Canadians are formidable fighters in their own right. But a hot war should be avoided at all costs, it would be brutal. Many millions would die, if not in outright war in disease and starvation.

And what about the billionaires? Somebody needs to render them useless in the process. Otherwise they’ll just reign the rubble.

I think we should do it at the state level - democratic vote - and then if the response is leave we just stop paying the feds taxes and kick them off our land. What are they gonna do, invade us for our maple syrup? We invented guerrilla warfare and were heavily armed and know the mountains better than y’all queda does. And we’re accustomed to winter. The southerners wouldn’t stand a chance.

It’s not a big problem, it’s lies told by trump to rile up his base.

You want to meet the moment? Shut off our power. Trust me, that will do it. That will fuck everyone over especially his supporters.

Edit - I thought this guy was your resident crackhead leader but apparently it’s his brother (sorry I’m dumb American). He’s onto something here: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/11/ontario-premier-threatens-cut-off-energy-supply-us-00193895

I propose: you trade Alberta to the US and receive New England and the Pacific Northwest?

Outcompete Mexico on Fentanyl, with a mission to cut Heroin with it for purposes of killing US addicts as a Canadian government program is a better response to end the war than appeasement.

That’s fucked up and won’t move the needle at all, you’re just doing the fascists work for them. They’d probably like it if you would kill off our drug addicts.

The lowest of American society didn’t vote for this… they likely didn’t vote at all. Aim at the top. Shut off the ability of rich Americans to enter your country. No more ski vacations. Seize American owned properties and redistribute to your own people (with the option for Americans to renounce citizenship and gain Canadian and keep their property).