Even in GPL and CC-BY-SA context you still retain copyright ownership over your work. I write GPL code for a modest living, and my real name copyright goes on everything I write. Likewise, your still asking to be credited in your CC-BY-SA music. Nothing wrong with that.

The point being is that we are making a conscious decision to license the things we create in a permissive way. Neither of us are anonymously dumping our work into the public domain because clearly we do care about ownership and copyright. That’s well within our rights as creators.

Generative AI is exploiting our work and not even doing the bare minimum of following the licenses that we shared them under.

How does one test for this?

Data is replicable, doesn’t matter if you call it “work” or “ideas”.

Your mistake is thinking that “data” and “copyright” or “ownship” are the same thing. They aren’t

You can download a song, and thus be in possession of the data of that song, and you can even copy the file within the parameters of copyright law.

However, simply having the data is not the same thing as owning or holding a license to the song itself, and so you are in violation of the law (where I live, at least) if you try to distribute that song or use it in a non-fair-use context.

IF you were to copy my work and exploit it in a for-profit context for millions of dollars (and you happened to be operating in a region in which applicable copyright laws happen to apply) you’re damn right I would come after you for a slice of the pie, and I would almost certainly win. Just copying what I say and pasting it in a quote isn’t something that I can prove damages on, because it isn’t something you’re profiting on in any way, so the idea of “enforcing” it is irrelevant and obviously not worth it.

I agree with you, corpos shouldn’t have this amount of power. But you won’t get there by trying to protect the work of artists writers etc with the exact same scheme corpos pulled to protect their power and interests. Like, it didn’t work, did it?

This is where we are going to have to disagree. I am absolutely willing to fight fire with fire by using the copyright system against big tech. I don’t make the rules, but IF rules are to exist in terms of what is or is not fair use of copyrighted material, then I DO expect those rules to apply equitably. (Whether they will or not remains to be seen, but let’s see what precedent gets set and I’ll adapt from there.)

No copyright for me, thanks

Can I ask you a personal question: what do you create, and do you submit it to the public domain?

As for me, I write music, create art, make games and write computer code and do a number of other things that I absolutely claim ownership over. So, when I write a song or paint a picture who the fuck is anyone else to try to take that away from me or claim it as something that they own and control? I’ve written thousands of lines of GPL code and contributed to many hippy-dippy open source free software projects over my lifetime, and even in that kind of copyleft context we still maintain a copyright over the code we right (as seen at the top of every source and header file).

I only ask because I find that the people who are most pro-AI and most anti-copyright are generally people who have never created anything of their own–they’ve written no songs, they’ve drawn no pictures, they’ve written no stories–and now they incorrectly generative see AI as something that “evens the playing field” by compensating for their lack of skills and drive.

But I’ll repeat myself, AI isn’t ushering us into a post-copyright world where the little guy is empowered in anyway. It’s just a punch of useful idiots downloading completely proprietary binary blobs from the biggest, richest corporations, fooling themselves into thinking that they’re being empowered to create things when in reality they’re just beta testing a plagiarism machine on a industrial scale that’s designed to enrich the richest.

We aren’t talking about “ideas” being stolen here, we’re talking about work being stolen and exploited for corporate profit.

Personally I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest that the person who writes a book should own it, the people who compose a song should own it, the artists who paints a painting should own it, etc.

As much as techbros love to pretend that AI is ushering us into a post-capitalist, post-copyright Star Trek future, it is actually in fact doing the exact opposite–it’s empowering the biggest and richest tech companies to exploit human creativity in the largest industrial plagiarism scheme in history, all so some bullshit VC investors can gain their way up the pyramid scheme known as the stock market.

If these guys thought they could out-bootleg the fucking Chinese then I have an unlicensed t-shirt of Nicky Mouse with their name on it.

Trump did this, and by extension that means that idiot American voters did this.

How did they do it so cheaply?

They stole it. Which is pretty fucking ironic if you ask me.

Yeah it’s wireguard under the hood iirc, so you probably could put in effort in order to achieve roughly what tailscale does, if you have the knowledge and time involved in doing that. I don’t think there’s any secret sauce that would be impossible to someone to DIY.

I don’t blame people for being skeptical, especially those of us in the Linux, FOSS, and self-hosted world. I was skeptical too, because part of the reason I wanted to self-host was to move away from a dependency on companies, and I’m weary of the mere possibility of tailscale’s eventual capitalist enshittification. But after trying it, I have to admit that it’s been a game changer for me.

For me personally, tailscale is just an easy out-of-the-box solution that works well for what I want it to do (give me encrypted access to my server from anywhere in the world). I’m not so good at networking that I could get anywhere near the level of convenience that tailscale affords me, and I have too many other projects that I want to do before reinventing tailscale for myself. So instead I have a small free tailnet with all of my devices (and a couple other users’ devices), and it has totally changed my relationship with self-hosting and my server.

In my view, It’s a pretty good deal, for now at least.

Do you actually want to expose the things to “the internet”, or do you just want yourself (and an approved set of other users) to be able to access them from outside of your network?

If it’s the former, you’re going to want to learn about DNS, NAT, exposing ports, firewall settings, and network monitoring.

But if it’s the latter, then I recommend checking out tailscale because that gives you and some friends LAN-like access with a great internal DNS and it works really well.

Holy fuck no thank you

Man, I’m the polar opposite. To each their own. :) I spend the bulk of my time coding, reviewing patches, responding bug reports and attending rote meetings, when I’d much rather be doing something creative with my time. I’m not that interesting in being in a band these days, mainly because I like to do my own thing too much and so does everyone else I know that plays music, haha. That’s forgetting the fact that there’s never been much money in it for me, so the idea of turning it into a career has never seemed tangible.

And it’s not that I dislike tech or computers (I’m on Linux, I genuinely like developing software when it’s something I care about, and I have a home server setup that I use just about every day.), it’s just that I get a lot more satisfaction out of playing music or making art. Technology to me is a means to an end; if I couldn’t put songs together, make paintings or animations, program indie games, play games, build a media library, etc., I don’t think I’d really care about computers at all.

Basically when it comes to tech stuff, I don’t care for the process as much as I care about the results. With creative endeavors it’s the opposite, I really love the process and I’d rather spend my time doing that than just about anything else.

(Now if only I could commit to finishing some more of my musical ideas… lol)

You never even listen to a song and want to play along with it? Or do you not even listen to much music anymore?

I’ve never had much commercial success with music, and it’s probably more brutal now than it’s ever been, but I still love writing, recording, and jamming out with my favorite songs, so it’s hard to relate. I’ve known people who gave up on the dream of “making it”, but I’ve never known someone to stop playing music altogether.

The fact that this clown even felt the need to talk about this shows that a noteworthy number of people are leaving the platform.

It’s a slow burn, but legacy social media must die.

Electronic music is a different artform, but it’s still fun and satisfying for the people who make it. Plus, I’d argue that most people who make electronic music do it because they like that type of music, not because they don’t want to learn the violin or whatever.

I don’t have a Seaboard, but FWIW it shows up as a valid controller in the menu for Bitwig Studio under Linux, so it might not be hard to set up at all. Bitwig also has great MPE support, and if my Linnstrument is anything to go off of, you’ll have a ton of run with MPE on the Seaboard. :)

Or the $600 guitar, $600 baritone guitar and $600 fretless bass I just bought. 🥴

This is the kind of thing you say when you never learned how to play Blitzkreig Bop.

Good fucking riddance. (No offense cool innocent Russian people.)

Good. Let it stay that fucking way.

Raise your hand if you want to read the suspect’s manifesto!