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  • People being put on some list like that “without their consent” is a totally different topic in my mind. To me that’s more of a system failure rather than a problem with what the system is attempting to accomplish. The first person mentioned though had quotes alluding to the person ostensibly consenting. So that again is a bit of a different topic that would focus on what constitutes informed consent. That being said I’ve approached this under the assumption that the DNR order is valid and from a fully informed and consenting person.

    That being said, the fact that they have actual lists is mind boggling. I can’t understand why a list like that would even need to exist. That information should be with the records for that person, not jumbled into a list with other people. So as far as something being a culture shock to me, that right there.

    Further, your 10 questions and other comments seem to be conflating DNR with suicide. This might be where we have a cultural difference. In the US, DNR is not usually conflated in this way. It is also not conflated with euthanasia which is closer to suicide. I’m assuming most users here are either US based or some other country with similar views on DNR to the US. I have a feeling this is where most people commenting are confused with how you are discussing this topic.









  • Physically impossible to open the door in a fashion it was meant to be. Airplane doors are designed to open inwards. The air pressure inside the plane pushed the door into place evenly over the entire surface. Given an approximate pressure differential of 8psi spread across a minimum 24x48" airplane for would be 10,752 pounds of force that would need to be overcome to open the door. There is no way to apply that kind of force from inside the plane that wouldn’t catastrophically damage the door prior to opening. You can’t just pull the handle that hard without it breaking. There’d be nothing to grab that would pull out in without failure.

    So maybe you could rig up a machine to break a portion of the door and create a hole. But the door would in no way be intact or functional afterwards.


  • They must have had a way to get in the first time, for instance.

    Not necessarily. There are lots of comparisons to submarines but it’s more comparable to airplanes. Part of the security on a plane is that it is physically impossible to open the door while the plane is flying. The pressure difference between the pressurized inside and thin air outside would require superhuman force to open.

    In a similar vein, when the ISS was constructed it wasn’t initially pressurized. This would make opening the door from the outside trivial from a pressurization standpoint. As long as the only means to pressurize it could be triggered from inside, there’d be no way it would be pressurized without someone inside.