So these tariffs are the will of the people or the will of the president?

both. this wasn’t a surprise. he said he’s gonna do it and 160 million people said “go ahead”.

“the people” does not mean everyone. in a democracy the will of the people is determined by the majority. it feels like the 97th time I’m saying this but here you go maybe it goes through this time. must be interference.

yes it’s exactly how democracy works. whoever gets the most votes gets to represent the people’s will. if he had lied about it during the campaign like he lies about pretty much everything I would’ve said yeah this isn’t what the people wanted, he did a bait and switch. but he didn’t. he said he’s gonna do tariffs and be a dictator on day 1, and 160 million people said ok be our lord king please.

not all, again literally no one said that, but certainly not “some”. 160 million of the eligible voters. that’s 68%. it’s a landslide.

You did.

quote me then. and not fake quote me like a bitch as you did right there either where you imagined I said “they’re the same thing” and tried to will it into existence so your shitty arguments sound more reasonable.

the rest of your comment is from a fever I can only presume because it has nothing to do with my point.

the original comment said that this was not the will of the people and I said yes it is. this was a laid out plan, and even if he distanced himself (as if anyone would believe him) his own promises weren’t different at all. he literally said he wanted to be a dictator day one. deport 20 million. end diversity. and the majority of the people voted for him. 160 million stamps of approval. that’s the will of the American people by a significant margin. that’s how it’s determined. it doesn’t mean every single person.

no one said all, or everyone. some people claim the American people didn’t want this. in a democracy the will of the people is determined by the majority of the voting-eligible population. around 160 million people wanted this. that’s a very solid representative bunch.

even if they did election fraud, which is completely speculative copium with no evidence whatsoever, but even if he did, he sure as fuck couldn’t fake 80-90 million votes. you want to prevent someone winning by fudging a couple thousand votes here and there, you show up.

the fact remains: 70+ million people voted for him, and 80+ million more were fine with him. that’s a huge majority that can’t be explained away with fraud.

and accept the consequences. this is the result of their protest votes. enjoy.

that’s not an unknown. vote suppression has always been a thing. especially dem voters know this. I’m not talking about the voters; I’m talking about non voters. you don’t show up, you vote for whoever comes up. vote suppression did not suppress 86 million votes.

are you claiming election fraud?

that’s ridiculous but either way you’re missing the point.

he got more than 77 million votes. close to 86 million people didn’t vote. like it or not, that’s still 86 million votes.

not voting isn’t a way to say “I don’t like either one”, it says “I’m on board with whoever wins by people who actually show up”. so that’s a vote for mango mussolini. would’ve been for Harris if that 1.6% margin swung the other way, but it didn’t.

so essentially he got the stamp of approval of around 160 million people.

that’s good on your part, but you’re not the American people. the people voted for mango mussolini, and that’s exactly what they got. in elections past I would agree with you. but not this time.

he won the popular vote this time, so they did ask for it. sorry.

you can’t get out of it this time. he won the popular vote. not voting is voting.

wow this is too pedantic even for this thread

I don’t do it that much anymore as I learned to enjoy the freedom of using language, but I recently watched a miniminuteman video where he says pause for concern. which kinda makes sense so it’s an eggcorn: something that would cause concern would hopefully also make one pause for a moment.

apparently this is a commonly misheard phrase though this was the first time I heard someone say it.

it’s a shame the US will likely not see another lina khan in the foreseeable future.

that’s not the same as these moralizing bunch. yours is a class based argument. even if I disagree with a statement like that, for example the very openly evil people who are against homeless people trying to stay alive, I don’t assume they’re secretly homeless themselves. it’s clear they just hate the homeless.

that’s hilarious

yep it’s one thing to have violent thoughts and opinions about certain people you find abhorrent of whatever but if you’re the kind of guy to advertise it unprompted I’m gonna assume you’re projecting.

I’m gonna bet this guy votes for the party that regularly defends and elects child predators, opposes sex ed for kids to keep them clueless about abuse, and advocates for child marriage.

for a split second I thought that this was Zuckerberg but I realized he’s a lot more lifelike and expressive.

the president:

the media:

people should be allowed to

uh no they shouldn’t

is there a thunderbird equivalent that looks like it was made after 1992?

I like the term vice signaling, which is what they do all the time. at least I get virtue signaling. but these people are like “hey look how terrible I am” and it’s just baffling.