yianiris

The majority of people speak of junk/fast food 3 brands of soda, 2, 3 brands of coffee/tea, 2 brnands of tropical fruit ,3 brands of power-drinks, 3 brands of beer,
as nutrition, 2 brands of phone OSs, and it is all crap if not bad for you.

So what is your point?

What is popular is what has been marketed, and it is usually both dominant and a very poor alternative to what it sells for.

@Rustmilian

I am clearly speaking of the @linux bot constantly pumping systemd only distros, gnome, kde plasma, chrome, qt and other corporate trash that ubuntu mint manjaro debian have embraced as their devs are on the corporate payroll

@InEnduringGrowStrong

Init is just one process, 98% of systemd is its logind, or its isolated fork called elogind, and its multilayered dbus labyrinth, which all those mentioned use. Running gnome and its applications without it is nearly impossible
@Rustmilian

The one article almost literally says if you don’t like systemd go to F**BSD and away from linux!

But yes, there are those irrelevant 3 mentions in a site as old as systemd itself.

RedHat is/was to IBM what Qt is to Oracle, vehicles of domination into the open free ecosystem. Marketing dictates what “free” code to use.

Show me 1 ONE article in phoronics that “mentions” alternatives to systemd, and I will not speak of linux or foss ever again!

That would be #OpenRC #S6 #66 #Runit #DaemonTools #Synit etc.

@Rustmilian Now that is #marketing not #FOSS

Qt’s late licensing is more insulting and provocative than MS Oracel IBM Google Facebook put together.

It probably took a 5story legal firm to disect through GPL licensing to figure out a way they can sell and not be open unless you pay

@Rustmilian

And they have made money not by sharing but by monopolizing and selling, which makes them who they are.

You are a foul if you think a for profit (even non-profit) corporation will have an interest advancing Open and Free software. They are there to OWN code and trade names, MARKET trade names, to defeat alternatives that lack corporate/banking funding.

@Rustmilian

Then what you consider automatic is a very unique perception of how things work.
In a car automatic transmission means it shifts on its own.
In a non automatic either you shift or it doesn’t happen.

On most pkg managers YOU elect when to upgrade, the output is a list of “upgradable” pkgs, then you are asked whether to proceed or not. Nothing automatic about this.

Auto update would mean software has been updated on its own without you authorizing it.

@Nibodhika

You can use sshd/sshfs to transfer files from a vm to another system, or even another vm.

You can shrink the installations partition to 90-95% used space, unmount the target, use dd –> tar.xz/lz/gz then the reverse to a new slightly larger partition, check enlarge whatever, configure, even the UUID of the partition transfers, so even grub.cfg/limine.cfg/lilo/syslinux all work just install in MBR or efi and reboot.

@d3Xt3r @governorkeagan

Arch (arch based x86_64)
Download and install

https://sourceforge.net/projects/joborun/files/r/librewolf-122.0.1-03-x86_64.pkg.tar.lz/download

or cd /tmp
mkdir libw
cd libw
wget https://git.disroot.org/joborun-pkg/jobextra/raw/commit/3f78c1796cc471eed86f817cdffc7bcaa038d5b1/librewolf/PKGBUILD

makepkg

sudo pacman -U *x86_64.pkg.tar.*

librewolf
or
firejail librewolf

@pineapplelover @catloaf

I have used apt apt-get, apk, pacman, xbps, and I have never encountered an auto-update

Even dumb-gui like synaptics or pamac don’t auto-update

@Nibodhika

I have never used such a system, I don’t know of a single one, and I wouldn’t use such a system.

@Nibodhika

Auto downloading and installing software is pretty much a violation of ethics in the unix ecosystem, pretty much anything that begins with Auto should be rejected.

But the general public wants the convenience and luxury of having things done by others without being bothered. Many distros competing with each other for lazy newcomers (ubuntu, mint, debian, manjaro, …) they provide all those non-unix like utilities.

Lately it is getting worse, all sorts of telemtry is branded good

@Nibodhika

The greatest contribution of Nvidia to FOSS had been to keep many such thinking people hostage to proprietary solutions and out of our visibility.

You know, those that refuse to learn anything new, refuse to read documents, believe that by controlling input/output through terminal is inferior to gui-blindness.

@Nibodhika @Para_lyzed

The home directory of the user is defined in /etc/passwd

Make sure it is the same as the one you have.

% sudo grpck
will check your group shadow gshadow passwd files for conflicts, it will tell you what you need to fix or if it is simple it will fix it for you.
If you get no output everything is OK

@kbal @pixelscript @NateSwift @Doctor_Rex

Can containers boot on their own? Then they are hosts, if not they are guests.
Unless there is some kind of mutual 50/50 cohabitation of userspace with two different pid1s
pid 1 left pid 1 right

@cypherpunks @onlinepersona

You have a very narrow perception of what a linux distribution/system should be, and that is a heavily commercial windows/macos alternative for people who deny reading.
That audience makes total crap popular!

Is that better now?

@Ullebe1

> and why they’re playing an increasingly big role in modern distros.

My modern distros, are you implying if a distro adopts flatpak use it is modern, if not it is antiquated?

Those are dangerous doctrines when foss is meant to provide choice, and it can be a choice to reject certain groups of software.

@Ullebe1

What would js be able to do out of firejail or other such forms of containment?

I only allow js for very specific sites, and most that you can’t do without I just do without. I am not that worried about security though, it is just an exercise.

I use seatd with wayland but it can be compiled without it too. My main issue is as I said, I can’t just run “sudo -u user2 leafpad” for example, you say it is a security measure, I say it is an inconvenience.

@Ullebe1

I don’'t use systemd or logind so I don’t have to worry about such magic security violations this bogus pile of crap creates. I have more control of processes and don’t allow some “automated” service to be loging-in-out system users 2000 times a nanosecond as logind does.

It only happens when I want it to happen, not uncontrollably.

KISS is the best security measure.

@Ullebe1

Are you comparing 40years of graphical environment stability and global use with something that has been broken for more than a decade and now all of a sudden is portrayed as secure?

I want to start applications as another user in my own environment and my own system and wayland prevents me, while x11 allows me (together with many forms of sandboxing and containerization).

I have asked this question to all pretend to be experts of wayland and I have 0 responses.

@Ullebe1 @LainTrain