“…like forcing users to upload copies of their government IDs to access an online service.”
“Some states, like Louisiana, have tailored their bills to ban kids from seeing online porn by forcing everyone, including adults, to verify their age before using the site. Google’s proposal does not oppose age verification on porn and gambling sites.”
That’s terrifying. Signing up for Lemmy would require uploading a government ID. I don’t know the solution to this problem, but I’m not confident this proposal is the right one.
If it’s from Louisiana, it’s probably a bad idea. Except for gumbo.
I live in Louisiana and we don’t enforce the important laws; we definitely aren’t enforcing that one. I’m not a connoisseur de porn sites but I think Pornhub is the only site that has an ID requirement and they probably just complied so they could file a lawsuit.
Also, I could take a street car to the French Quarter right now for $1.25 and get motorboated for one additional dollar if I wanted. I have no idea what the state legislature thinks passing a porn ID law will accomplish. But rest assured, their laws mean nothing in New Orleans.
Then it’ll be used for targetted application, which is even worse.
This is what I’ve been saying. They probably don’t care if little Jimmy knows how to skirt the id requirement by using one of the thousands of sites that don’t comply with Louisiana’s stupid law, but it sure would be a shame if word got out that major democrat nominees uploaded their id to a porn site one day several years ago.
This kind of law is a thin veil of “think of the children” in order to orchestrate future extortion.
And jambalaya
Who fucking cares about porn?
But also the anonymous Internet is important.
Also, do you think the proposal will actually have the intended effect? Do you think COPPA has been successful? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children’s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act#Criticisms
Children under the age of 13 absolutely have Facebook accounts. Children of all ages have DEFINITELY seen things that no one should see.
I’m not saying this isn’t a topic worth discussing, but further restrictions is not the right answer.
Ban them, exile them all!
I’m a teen and I second this opinion.
1- It has been proven time and time again how social media has done more harm than good to teenagers.
2- I’m only talking about about platforms owned by the big corporations, platforms here on the Fediverse are (from my perspective) much more safer (in the sense that you don’t really see harmful content if you don’t want to).
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Where has it been proven that its done more harm than good? Have studies been done to actually explore what ‘good’ it has allowed, or is the litmus test for it only about what harm may have been affected on teenagers? Whats your basis for this claim?
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The Fediverse is equally unsafe if you consider your take in an objective manner rather than just play on what you feel moment to moment.
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What’s your take on 4chan?
- Ever since teens had access to social media, there have been studies on the matter, (i’ll admit, that in early years they were pretty scandalous, but now they try to act as more of a guide or recommendation for parents).
Here you got one source (again, of many):
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The Fediverse is mostly handled by moderators and the community (like Reddit used to be), so when there’s an issue regarding ill behaviour, it is usually handled inside that community. (And besides, instances have their own rules too.)
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It’s toxic waste, get the hell out of there. 💀☢️
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Something like, you can register at 16 with your parent’s permission
Point is - how do you prove the person is of the “right” age noninvasively? Not like the mainstream social media platforms were already friendly to anonymity, but all the methods I can think of are on a whole another level.
I know, that’s very muddy waters right there.
But again, i only meant that for the big platforms.
I don’t think age verification should be necessary on the Fediverse.
Why?
Because a vast majority of teenagers misuse/overuse social media (cyber-bullying, isolating from their environment, phone addiction, and so on…)
How do you know that?
Because i was born in the year 2000 so my perception of teenagers and social media is still recent, also i have a younger sibling, and she has shown me the kind of crap teens are on today.
Screw TikTok man, and also screw “Mr. Beast”.
So your experience defines everyone else’s experience?
How very ‘I was born in the year 2000’ of you.
Everyone’s opinion is equally valid.
But my guess is some may want to read what Gen Z’s think about the topic.
Ok, Boomer.
Ok, Boomer.
Literally says born in 2000 and this is the response. The Internet has made teens dumber.
The irony of this being commented on a social media post is amazing.
There’s a difference between reading-based social media and a feed of overstimulating videos designed to get kids hooked
Dunno why you’d assume that they’re a teen
It would be more ironic if the one posting it was a teenager.
Not really, i’m 23.
“think of the children” is always a poor excuse to strip away citizen freedoms. Usually never actually helps them anyways.
I would usually agree with this statement, but the truth is that social media does way more harm than good when it comes to teenagers.
Is it really the government’s job to police what every teen does on the Internet though? I think that’s for the parents to do.
It is the parents job, but what do you do when the parents don’t do that job?
There’s a lot of things parents should be doing but some don’t. That however is a whole different argument.
That’s my point. A parent should keep a child out of a fire, right? If they don’t, do we as a society let the child burn because it was unlucky enough to have crappy parents?
I’d be perfectly happy with this answer if the only states proposing this “for the children!” nonsense weren’t deep red racist bigot states that want ro police women across state borders.
If red states are doing something I want to do the opposite.
When it comes to the big corporate platforms, yes.
When it comes to the Fediverse, no.
Then let parents deal with it. This conservative “for the chillldrun” talking point always ends in cons trying to take us back to 1750.
Most parents either care too little or too much about what their children do.
It is better to take some things to a more neutral ground.
Rambling
I’m not super against the idea of age verification online. I’m against the idea of these companies having my ID. A better (but still very imperfect) solution would be to have the government itself provide a login that would simply send a true/false back to the service you’re trying to access.
But even this has problems, beyond just privacy ones. There’s many who don’t have ID, who can’t get ID, and even more who don’t have ID that would be recognized in the local jurisdiction (whether it be from a foreign national, or someone in the USA with a Driver’s License from New Mexico).
Anyways, the practice of age verification itself I don’t have a problem with, but any implementation I can conceive is full of glaring issues that render it impossible without us forfeiting our rights to anonymity and/or surrendering our data to an untrustworthy source and or just being plain unreliable to attempt to use.
Yeah Louisiana implemented a government portal that does exactly what you claim through the driver’s license app. Their database was hacked a little under a year ago with basically all private citizen information stolen.
If you set up a system to use these mechanisms the data WILL BE stolen or mishandled.
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This idea scares me as well. State would have it so much easier to track what adult content you are visiting. Not a fan, even though I personally only do pretty tame stuff.
You dont have e-ID features? Wild…
Just last semester i learned how they are implemented and which protections they have in place to preserve privacy like specific identifiers
So a certain terminal can only get certain information e.g. over 18? yes/no
Our cigarett dispensers use this feature (those without a person to check)You have unmanned cigarette sales? What country, if you don’t mind my asking?
Europe
Europe is a country? 😳
A highschooler from America would most certainly say yes… saw it happen myself before lol
Well, people often mean a country when they say “America”, too.
God I wish
This is why I vote Democrat. The idiots back shit like this and we shame the shit out of them until they stop because of the obvious overreach, but the “Parental Rights!” “Small Government!” (Louisiana) crowd fucking eats it up and runs with it without any forethought or sense of hypocrisy before it’s even an actual law.
As if teenagers would actually go on a service that forces them to upload a government ID.
Let their parents do it.
But didin’t Google already track your age?
I remember that in 2014 Google erased my first Gmail account because i was -15 and that didin’t aligned with their new “policies”.
You were negative 15? You were still nutrients in the soil thay made the food your parents ate to make you?
YouTube in the UK already refuses to show some videos if their data gathering & marketing system didn’t know enough about you to guess your age.
That’s… good actually.
This is some Red State nanny government shit. This os a foot in the door for neonazis to control Internet access.
They hate when we share organization dates and information.
