• CB Bản Đỏ@lemmy.world
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    As long as I found the Nazi disturbing, the “denialism” in Tianmen square massacre or gulag or Ussr stalin purge or Uyghurs genocide from the far-left ideology is as much disturbing as the same from the far-right one. Just because this instance seems leftish and anti-Nazi, it doesn’t leverage itself to a better position.

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      Yeah extreme ideologies are bad, but instead of talking left vs right, which is pointless as you are trying to comp genocidal maniacs against eachother. They are all totalitarian evil, we put extra labels on so we can pick sides.

      how about we consider why groups want control over your life. The left cares for society and group rights, the right cares for individual rights. I could argue the value of both, but we are overpopulated and the desires of the individual shouldn’t be valued greater than that of a society, our environment, quality of life, right to health and security from violence and economic greed. Im not saying the left is good at what they do but at least they try to manage the mess instead of arrogantly assuming market forces, churches or the metaphysical can or will solve peoples unnecessary suffering.

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        Sorry just because you (or “we”) would love to put labels to pick sides, it doesn’t mean I belong to your described “labels” or “sides” because I treat far left and far right are the same. Maybe some political compasses can help. I don’t take sides. I agreed with the problems you think. Maybe you can try to stop putting labels (or picking sides) so that it might help to provide for some perspective angles. Wish you the best

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      There’s not really nazis, at least not many. People on the internet view right leaning views as literal nazis these days.

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          Nazis were a political movement and party in WW2 Germany. The people who hate black people and Jews these days do not align at all with that party. There’s actual terms like Neonazi which is rare as well, or White Supremacist. The problem with using Nazi to define anybody currently is that in most online spaces a Nazi is not somebody who wants to exterminate the Jews and create a white world, but somebody you just disagree with and think is mean.

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            Bah… you can argue semantics all day long, I have no qualm calling these alt-right fucks nazis. Just look at the dumpsterfire that voat.co became. Nazis comes close enough to describe that.

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            So when men march wearing black balaclava and waving actual nazi flags, calling themselves nazis and intimidating vulnerable minorities with violence, you don’t call them Nazis? Really?

            Edit: This is neither hypothetical nor a unique occurrence

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      Sorry for hijacking your comment, it’s the first one that popped up for me when I opened this thread.

      If you’re just discovering this post, trust me, it’s not worth reading. The comments are 50% nazis and 50% morons. There is no discourse ahead, only name calling, denouncing, whataboutism, and some really fucked up thoughts and people. You don’t need this in your day. You already know that nazis are bad, and nazis aren’t the only bad people. Go to illegallysmolcats instead

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      The instance at exploding-heads.com got defederated from by a lot of instances and among them the largest one lemmy.world
      It happened due to them allowing hatespeech like “tranny faggot”. Top post now is complaining about how the rest is sensitive libs and in the same breath call “Joe Biden is a pedo”. They’re throwing a tantrum about how they’re getting cancelled because they can’t smell the shit under their own shoe.

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        It’s not necessary to repeat the hate speech they got defederated over, you can just say “transphobic/homophobic slurs”.

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          But the words themselves don’t mean anything more than the context they’re used in. I absolutely think you should be able to freely write the bad words that you are talking about to better explain what happened instead of censoring it. It’s obvious that op used it to spread information and not in a negative context, isn’t it?

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            Yes, there’s a difference between use and mention, but slurs are still slurs even outside of a negative context or without hateful intent.

            Repeating slurs isn’t always necessary and can sometimes still be emotionally draining for the targetted group to see even outside of the negative context. Just something to keep in mind.

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        There’s a lemmy server where a lot of alt-right and more extreme views have sub-lemmys. It got defederated by Lemmy.World and others and now they’re upset that most people on other servers don’t get to see their hate-speech.

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    A lot of people seem to just call people they’ve barely interacted with a nazi wtf