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        Linux From Scratch is a series of (online) books that walk you through building up your own linux system from the ground up, from compiling the kernel to all the individual systems that turn the kernel into a functional OS.

        It’s meant to be an educational tool to help people learn about what goes into making a Linux distribution and give you better knowledge of how to build software from source. Some people turn these systems into their own distributions or personal (I guess gentoo-like?) Linux installs

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        Not only can you make your own OS but you can use one of the package managers and build your own repo and do a whole ecosystem yourself.

        I used LFS to build a distro for embedded systems I designed at work. Was a fun experience but way too much work.

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      It’s that pesky root user, right? There’s loads of their files on my system. I can’t edit any of them. Don’t know why they are so protective.

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    I spent the last 10 mins reading all the comments and I think we managed to shit on all the distros available.
    That’s the Linux community I love, good job people <3

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      Haven’t seen Santoku or Kali or several other special use-case distros (E: or Hannah Montana Linux hahahaha). But, yes, this is exactly the community I love and that extreme hate/love for specific distros is the reason I tried Linux in the first place (and the reason I stayed) hahaha

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    Ubuntu - It was my first distro and I loved it for many years after 6.06. However, it slowly shifted from a very community focused distro (“Linux for human beings” was the original slogan) to a very corporate distro with lots of in-house bullshit, CLAs, and partially-closed projects that seems to focus on profit and business over actual human beings. I correlate this move to around the time when it became purple rather than brown. Snap sucks, Mir sucks, Unity sucks, integrating Amazon and music store paid bullshit sucks. Just no. Move to Debian.

    Manjaro - It’s Arch, but with incompetence!

    Red Hat - Do you enjoy paying licensing fees for a Linux distro that very likely violates the open source licenses it uses? RHEL is for you! Just remember not to share the code! Sharing is most certainly NOT caring!

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      How does Manjaro add incompetence? I’ve not used either for a while, buy Manjaro never failed me, while arch did manage to make my system nuke itself a couple times just running pacman -Syyu. Granted, this was a long time ago, but it’s the only distro to so this to me ever.

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        The project maintainers repeatedly forget to renew their certificates, causing package upgrades to fail.

        The project maintainers, in multiple past instances, have misconfigured their package manager resulting in essentially a DDoS of the AUR.

        The packages are out of date vs. the upstream Arch ones, which often causes AUR packages intended for upstream Arch to break on Manjaro. Yet they consider the AUR a supported resource.

        Project has had problems with mismanagement of funds in the past.

        Despite all this, they seem to heavily focus on marketing, merch, and trying to sell preinstalled systems. Manjaro is in it for profit, not to make an awesome distro.

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        it’s a reddit imported hate-train because they didn’t renew certificates twice in twenty years and a bug in pamac cause the aur to be ddosed for a few hours total, to tell you how much of an empty bandwagon it is, few years back, manjaro tried to push a closed source office suite in their base installers and none of the clowns parroting anti-manjaro mantras ever mention it, they didn’t think about adding it to the agreed list of accusations in the early days so their copy pasted opinions don’t feature it.

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        If that were true then none of this would be news. The CentOS Stream code is available to the public on git, but not the RHEL code. If the RHEL code was available to the public the outrage would have no reason to exist.

        Even if paying customers have access to the RHEL code via git, they are forbidden from redistributing it (which is allowed by the FOSS licenses that code is under) or else the customers lose their license. This does not qualify as the code being available in my opinion, and in the opinion of the vast majority of the FOSS community.

        Saying everything is fine and dandy in the RHEL world is FUD.

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    Manjaro because it is a bait and switch trap. Seems really polished and user friendly. You will find out eventually it is a system destroying time-bomb and a poorly managed project.

    Ubuntu because snaps.

    The rest are all pros and cons that are different strokes for different folks.

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      Every time I have used manjaro on x86 it has been broken within a few months. Their Raspberry Pi 4 port is pretty stable though for some reason.

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    I absolutely hated myself after installing Arch on one of my machines.

    Then I discovered EndeavourOS… I still hate myself but at least my laptop works now.

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      Holy shit, I installed it on my Lenovo tablet laptop, and everything works out the box… Even the gyroscope! I couldn’t believe it. It’s the first arch based I’ve tried and I think I’m hooked.

      To note, I think I tried like 8 other distros before finding endeavor.

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          Dude, this 100%. The touch screen was janky on Windows, and non existent in all Linux distros I tried. Endeavor worked perfectly without any set up. I couldn’t believe it.

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        Binary speed is really the least reason to use Gentoo.

        There are a lot of thorny issues in package distribution that source builds completely sidestep.

        Install-it-yourself plus source updates are a lot to ask, but if you can get the hang of it the benefits are pretty sweet.

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      And also, I have work to do… I don’t like wasting my time tinkering with config files trying to get the optimum settings. I just want an OS that helps me do my work and gets out of the way.

      All the edgelord kids boasting about using Arch are also a big turn off.

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      Honestly… I don’t get this. It’s a bit more work than other distros but I think that Linux users often get to a point in their Linux journey where customizing a system with defaults is more difficult than just starting from a blank slate.

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        Customizing all-in-one distros is a shitty uphill battle that isn’t worth the trouble, so I get how Arch is worth the work there. But recommending a kit car when people are asking for a commuter just bugs me.

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      So what you’re actually saying is: you don’t like Arch because you don’t want to take the time to learn how to use Arch.

      (Which is fine)

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          Fair. Though I will say (more for others who may see this in the future), that Arch’s new installer is great and definitely reduces the load on new users. That said, it’s never going to be explicitly designed for people who have no Linux experience.

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        It doesn’t. All the time you spent reading manuals and tweaking configs to get it to boot quicker does.

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    This is gonna be an unpopular opinion, but Linux mint. It’s great if you’re just getting into Linux, it’s absolutely terrible when you know what you’re doing in Linux. The old package base and kernel just kills me sometimes. I get they want a stable base and use the lts versions of Ubuntu, but my goodness it’s always so far behind it’s not even worth using if you’re on AMD. Thankfully they’ve realized this after so many years and are releasing an EDGE iso with updated packages and kernel and LMDE is getting a version upgrade.

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      Not really an unpopular opinion. My main desktop runs mint, and we’re well aware of that being an issue. But it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make as long as it works. I haven’t had enough issues to look for replacement yet. ZorinOS looks interesting, though.

      For servers and work I use other distros.

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        I love Zorin, probably for more superficial reasons than most. I like a clean UI and Zorin provides that by default, no fiddling. I get that people like customisability and ricing and all that, and if I could design my OS as easily as I could write CSS then I probably would, but I’ve yet to find something that lets me do that. And even if I do find it, Zorin still looks good and just works, which is most of what I care about.

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        Yeah there’s just not really a big enough reason to move away from Ubuntu unless you’re really wanting to avoid snaps (which I completely understand)

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      I’ve never cared for mint because I don’t really want my Linux to look like Windows. Which is what mint does.

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      I tried it years ago after years and years of Ubuntu. I installed Mint Cinnamon, it was the shit at the time, #1 distro and all. I wanted to like it but was never able to. After less than 2 years I switched to MX/Xfce and still use it, best distro ever.

      But Mint is really bleh 🙁

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        How is MX? What do you like over other distros? I see it at the top of the distrowatch list all the time but I’ve never really found anything special or stand out with the distro.

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    I am growing to dislike Ubuntu.

    Simply because its so old, that anytime I try to find a solution to a problem, I’m wading through 15 years of shit, 99% of which isnt relevant anymore due to age/depreciation.

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      What makes this weirder is that while all older distros have this problem, none of them come anywhere close to being as bad. This is probably partly because of Ubuntu’s start as a noob-friendlier distro, but I don’t think that completely explains it.

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        Being noob friendly is why I chose it.

        I’m not a programmer or a sysadmin, My linux experience is entirely contained to the past 5-6ish years I’ve used it to avoid using Windows 10.

        Every single problem I’ve had, no matter how ultimately minor it was, has been a enormous fuckin ordeal to figure out and solve, in large part due to the 15+ years of ancient, non-relevant knowledge.

        So I’m probably gonna end up switching distros soon, since i’m tired of troubleshooting and still have weird, minor shit happening… Just frustrated a bout doing it because I finally got steamtinkerlauncher working properly, which was an ordeal in and of itself.

        And its gotten to the point I even hate talking about the issues I have, cause someone inevitable swoops in and be like “Well, just run (command) -help” to figure out what to do, and I’m all like… okay, fucking great. That doesnt help because I dont know whats fucking wrong. Cant use -help if I dont know what command i need to fix this weird problem that no internet searches are showing me any kind of solution or even a hint for.

        edit Sorry, apparently my annoyance boiled over into a rant.

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          I feel you. I really do. User friendliness is what got me to try out Ubuntu in the first place. My Open Source OS journey has been long and weird, but we have that in common.

          If you’re looking for an OS with good documentation that’s going to make your Steam gaming easier, I can suggest Nobara. It’s easy to install, and while it’s own documentation is a little sparse (it’s less than a year or so old), you can use Fedora documentation 99% of the time. And as a bonus, steamtinkerlaunch is a one click install on Nobara. I think. I did my install for my gaming rig like 8 months ago, so don’t quote me.

          More importantly, though, is that Nobara has a friendly discord filled with helpful folks, including Glorious Eggroll himself - the guy who made Nobara, and a contributor to many Open Source projects and maintainer for Proton-GE which, if you use Steam on Linux, you might have heard of.

          As a bonus, the Fedora community is helpful too, as evidenced by me 😀.

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            I was considering Linux mint, since its something new, but still on a familiar debian base and and familiarity with things like ppas which make getting software easier than compiling it.

            but I’ll read up more on Nobara. Just concerned that I’ll be back to day 1 know nothing switching bases.

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              It’s not that bad, really. Nobara is Fedora based, and has access to their large package base. Nobara’s custom update tools are also excellent.

              Fedora doesn’t have PPAs, but it does have COPR, which is kinda like halfway between PPAs and Arch’s AUR. Lots of packages. I hardly ever compile anything from source these days.

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                Okay okay, stop twisting my arm! :p

                I’ll back up my files and switch to Nobara as soon as I beat the game I’m playing, since I dont want to risk having that get borked again

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      I agree, I used Ubuntu for years, then switched to Mint/Cinnamon for a few years but finally after 1 or 2 years hated it. I’m on MX since 2016 or something and still love it.

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    I can find faults in any of them, but mostly hate working with Redhat/CentOS/Fedora. Strongly prefer Debian over Ubuntu, and I strongly prefer Gentoo over Arch. SUSE is an unknown, not sure about that one.

    I have a fondness for BSD, if that matters.

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      SUSE

      I have a bit of a fear of SLES, purely due to Puredisk using them as their base back in the day (before they were swallowed by Symantec/Veritas/Broadcom/whatever). The amount of time I spent in YaST2 and losing data, again and again, made me genuinely never want to investigate any issues.

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        I must have played with SUSE at some point, these words bring back horrors I’d long forgotten.

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      I have fond memories of setting up a FreeBSD desktop while I was in college. It still has a warm place in my heart.

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    Ubuntu. It’s violating many rules of freedom, and just isn’t good. Their DE spins aren’t good, snaps aren’t good

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      Hard disagree. Their GNOME implementation is great, the distro is stable and snaps are fine. It’s just not quite as libre as some people want.

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    No longer using Ubuntu at all because they force snaps down your throat. While I do like snaps on the server environment, (I think a lot of the haters out there don’t see how nice they are on servers), I prefer to use Debian and then to just install snapd on my terms.

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    Manjaro feels like a bit of a mess to me and always ends up with problems.

    Ubuntu releases too many buggy updates and dumps their idiosyncratic tastes in software on everyone whether people like it or not.

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      I really don’t get why they want to push snaps so much. Flatpak does basically the same thing but better and is already used by more people. Their efforts would be better spent improving that. It’s also weird that the server side of snaps is proprietary, I can’t help but think that they may have intentions with that, that go against what the users want.