It’s gone. Wanted to ask over here before I went to check on Reddit.
Official statement
Making official statements on Discord, and not Lemmy is WILD
Yeah, it sucks but it makes sense, there is no one to defend those volunteer individuals if anyone wants to go after them.
How does it make sense? Did Comcast have to/did they block my access to RARBG while it still existed? No. I get removing piracy content on their own instance, but blocking other instances is not necessary.
The problem is that the admins are all just volunteers and the instance doesn’t exist to make money. If a big company decides to sue them, even if they are in the right, they will be drowned in legal fees.
Not to mention, legality doesn’t need to be a question if the admins of Lemmy.world get drowned in legal fees before even having to appear in a court. The rich don’t exist by our laws and idk why anybody expects differently at this point.
Is allowing access to piracy resources the same as hosting piracy resources? Is Comcast at risk of being shut down because they didn’t block everyone’s access to RARBG? This is largely rhetorical; the answer is “no”. lemmy.world’s admins are not being honest.
Comcast has money to defend itself. That’s a huge difference.
Through federation, lemmy.world would host the content because it pulls all content from all federated instances.
Are you sure that’s true? All content from all other federated servers are hosted on all other servers? That certainly doesn’t sound right; I thought that the fediverse protocol just allowed us access to other servers running the protocol, not that our instance actually runs content from their instance.
Yes, this is how federation works and it’s the main point all those users that are bitching about the move do not understand. LW does not care about piracy, they are afraid of legal consequences, because with the federation protocol you are hosting all content of other instances. It’s not embedded, it’s mirrored, so there is no legal difference between the origin instance and the federated instance.
There is no content in these communities, they are for discussion. Linking to content is against the rules in fact.
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Welp, hopefully more people simply move instances.
Can someone transcribe this for those of us using screen readers? As a server in Canada, We’re also worried about the hosting risk of the piracy community and considering blocking it. I’d love to read the LW statement.
They made a announcement here on Lemmy https://lemmy.world/post/3234363
The original was posted on discord. It was:
Removal of Piracy Communities
Earlier today, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct.
The communities that were removed due to this decision were: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, !piracy@lemmy.ml, !steamdeckpirates@lemmy.dbzer0.com.
We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world’s users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assitance in obtaining it.
Thanks! Perfect. Wish I could award…Lemmy Gold? LOL
Lemmy Lemon 🍋
Here’s the original announcement in text: https://lemmy.world/post/3234363
Thanks for the reminder that screenshots aren’t accessible for everyone.
Thanks! I didn’t realize there was an announcement on Lemmy, or I would have searched. Unfortunately screenshots are kind of the only way to share posts on Discord, because you can’t link someone to a Discord message on a server they’re not a member of, so I can’t blame you for a screenshot there. However, it is possible to add alt-text on images you post to Lemmy. :-)
Glad to see Lemmy.world doing their part to keep the Fediverse safe and legal for all users here.
The contents are still hosted by respective instances.
World achieves nothing, they dont even host the contents. This is pure power trip or irrational fear, or both.
Lots of folks here with strong opinions that have never dealt with legal proceedings, or an itemized bill calculated in 6-minute increments.
Would it have to be hosted in a matter similar to VPNs/some mail clients and others?
LMK if anyone knows more, thank you!
They did what? How are they suppose to tell me which communities I can check and which I am not allowed to see?
Time to move to a new instance, good riddance
I’m gonna start my own personal instance actually.
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Aren’t they really struggling with server costs?
Not anymore. Right from the first post the admins made about it, they tried to make it clear that they had come up with a plan to lower costs and should have realised before it was too late that AWS was gonna charge them through the nose once traffic increased. The migration’s complete now from what I understand, and it would take a huge influx of users to even come close to those figures now.
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With blackjack and hookers lmfao
In fact … just forget the personal instance
and the blackjack
How are they suppose to tell me which communities I can check and which I am not allowed to see?
Time to move to a new instance, good riddance
Behold, federation in motion
Federation does not by definition require giving admins the ability to censor content. The Fediverse implementation unfortunately does, but it sure didn’t need to.
That has nothing to do with the point. The admins are entitled to block whatever they like. If you dislike it, federation lets you chance instances so you can follow different rules you agree with. There’s a ton of instances that are just as good and allow this stuff, so stop being centralized!
Huh? The Piracy community on dbzer0 is still up, just checked.
Please link me to it because its no longer in my subscriptions and I can’t find it in a search at all.
It’s blocked from lemmy.world. I’d recommend using LASIM and migrating to another instance like https://lemm.ee/ (note: you will need to manually resubscribe to !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com on your new account, since LASIM won’t be able to see it).
Btw, that user has also requested deletion of !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com on lemm.ee and it is in consideration. If this is the reason for your switch, I’d wait for their action.
Fair. Personally I’m just sh.itjust.works as my alt instance.
I love shit just works but the Dude has to cover his ass legally and he may be forced to do something similar if Canadian law is also bootlicking the record companies.
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Didn’t know boomers pirated stuff
Then you clearly haven’t been paying attention
Legit. Piracy related to home PC software has been around since the advent of home PCs. Before the concept of LANfests or LAN parties even existed, there were copy parties. I still have vivid memories of 8+ 1541 drives daisy-chained to a single C64. University servers hosting warez… Usenet… there’s likely earlier examples I’m not aware of.
Before that, people were hacking phone systems in order to call long distance for free. This ain’t nothin new.
Not something I’ve indulged in for 30+ years, though. I pay for everything, now. Guilty conscience, I suppose. 😁
People on LW can’t see it anymore apparently
Another reason to create an account on a smaller instance rather than .world
And this one is going to actually have an impact
Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can’t subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.
Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that’s the whole idea of federation.
De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.
Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That’s why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.
Lemmy’s strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.
Defederation is bad.
It’s not really apt to compare email to Lemmy. Email is a one-to-one communication method, it’s like sending a letter in the mail. In the same way a mail carrier isn’t culpable if they deliver a package of drugs, Google isn’t responsible for delivering illegal emails. On Lemmy though, you’re hosting a copy of the post locally on your instance. It’s accessible to users as well as people who aren’t signed in.
More like Usenet than email.
Hmm, that’s a good point, it might make a legal difference in some places. I think it should be treated like email.
LW turned into a shit show pretty fast…
LW?
What’s LW?
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soulless profit-extracting corporations do not need you to simp for them
also quit using so many alts dude, take the hint when you get banned
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Man you are such a fucking virgin haha
Man, you are such a tool
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my dude all your other alts of identical names spend their entire time spamming anti-lgtbq hate
nobody wants to be part of your communities. it should be zero surprise you’re a reddit moderator too, perhaps you should stay over there.
I’m gonna pirate some stuff I don’t even want just for you baby.
You sound like such a fucking whiny loser
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I’m angry because believers in intellectual properties are still breathing, and therefore stealing my oxygen
I love IP, they can protect my business identity and other valuable things in the world. Please don’t blame IP, they don’t need our oxygen. Blame the whiny toolbag.
So, you support the corporations charging abusive prices and fees to post record profits every quarter?.. I’m not going to say piracy is right, ethical or should be legal, but I get it.
When we talk about abusive corporation being unethical, maybe a part of us should see the opposite as ethical too?
And piracy is not even a opposite backlash, it’s a way around that helps out a lot of people in different scenarios. I used to pirate games as a kid because I didn’t have any money and now I’m one of those who has youtube premium for convinience.
And there are hell of a lot more positive use cases like sharing censored data and general p2p file sharing
Ok, but I will.
“Piracy is right, ethical, and should be legal.”
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Ok…
Its not gone. Its just blocked by lemmy.world…
Its hosted on dbzer0
Great, time to change instance. At least it will have > 10% uptime
lemmy.world deleted their copy of it (due to site rules, and prompted by a concerned Internet citizen)
It’s probably the biggest Community in all of Lemmy, so the ramifications will be interesting.
lemmy.world has been acting very weird lately. Almost like they are the one and the only authority of Lemmy.
It’s their instance, they are free to do as they wish to comply with their local regulations
Ye I think I need to start my own instance, That’s the only way I can get away from bullshit like this
I’ve been on my own instance since I started using Lemmy a few months ago and it’s amazing to just… do whatever I want.
You know, I agree that this is definitely the beauty of Lemmy’s federated nature but I’m somewhat perplexed by statements like “I can do whatever I want”. I mean for sure, in theory you definitely can, but were really being held back before? I just personally have never actually run up against the limits of my freedoms online and being unable to do something I want to do. I’m probably just super vanilla and boring I suppose. I guess the recent shit with Reddit is an example where I really was constricted, by virtue of no longer having the choice of mobile app to access the website through, but then, I just jumped ship to Lemmy. I can imagine I might run in to a situation where the admins of the instance I signed up to block a community I liked, but it’s very rare that this is a community that I care about and when it is, there’s almost always another server around I can make an account for and sign up to all the same communities as before. I guess in typing this I’m seeing that the answer is that, with your own instance you won’t have to keep hopping, but I guess I just so rarely get inconvenienced by admin decisions that it’s never seemed worth the trouble.
If it’s not too prying, can I ask what is it you want to, and in practice really would do, that running your own instance has now allowed you? Not just theoretical but, like a real existing capability that you’ve gained and make use of regularly? It’s appealing to me from a theoretical basis and sometimes the theory and principle alone is enough, but the effort barrier hasn’t seemed worth it for the theoretical gains alone.
I moved to lemm.ee from lemmy.world after that whole hack thing a few weeks ago and it seems like lemmy.world has been going through some weird shit ever sense.
Hexbear drove them mad.
lemmy.world blocked it. I guess it is their right to do so, if you want to keep access to it move to another instance (it is not healthy that so many people are on LW).
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I don’t really get it though, it’s not like they’re trying to court advertisers.
Or are they?
They’re trying to avoid law enforcement and lawyers at their doors.
Even if you prevail, either can be a very expensive and/or destructive process.
Make no mistake, Reddit’s recent refusal to provide details surrounding users that were discussing piracy is highly unlikely to happen in the fediverse. Admins are going to get hit with a subpoena and comply because they can’t afford not to.
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If anyone’s looking for a new instance, feel free to join mine! https://lemmings.world
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Let’s see what happens when we get everyone to defederate your ass for supporting illegal content, or are you going to evade their defederation attempts with a new domain? Are you going to violate their right to censor and ban you on their server with their own rules.
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Instances aren’t banning other instances for federation with communities they dislike. Instances ban other instances for hosting content they dislike. The benefit of starting an instance is you choose who to federate with.
Based chadmins of lemmy.world blocking biggest piracy community
How is that based?
It is more akin to what other social media sites are doing…
Pirating stuff you can pay for is the opposite of based lol
Nobody likes a thief
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Piracy is theft, you are taking something you are not entitled to without paying or asking, that is wrong and illegal, you do not get to do that.
The first time I pirated a game was when I was unable to play Mass Effect 2 due to DRM blocking my ability to play at all (highlighting the irony of DRM, the fact that the pirated version was free of this issue).
When I had a potato PC, I would often pirate games before I bought them, to see if they would be able to run. If I hadn’t done that, I would have erred on the side of caution and not bought any games I was unsure of.
There are also a few pieces of media I’ve enjoyed that would have been literally impossible to access if I hadn’t pirated them, and were impossible to pay for.
Piracy can also allow people to access games and/or software that would otherwise be lost to time (abandonware).
Not all piracy is stealing and also some stealing is based.
They removed it because it facilitates the sharing of illegal pirated content.
