Yesterday I was reading the post about the FUTO keyboard where there were a lot of messages deleted by moderators.
I’ve commented there

What the heck happened with all the messages deleted by moderator?

And it got deleted. Right now you can only see 4, but I’ve counted 19 messages moderated and the post has been locked. Why?
I’ve had a look ad the modlog and the messages don’t seems to violate any policy (now they’ve removed them in the modlog too).

I’m pinging here lemmy.ml admin and the mods of the open source community where the post was posted so they can have their say about it and clarify the situation to me.
@kevincox@lemmy.ml @CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml @Cloak@lemmy.ml @davel@lemmy.ml @dessalines@lemmy.ml @nutomic@lemmy.ml @JoeBidet@lemmy.ml @cypherpunks@lemmy.ml

If I’m getting something wrong, please let me know, I’m here to discus and understand if I’m getting something wrong or if something went wrong in the moderation. Thanks!

Down here you can see the deleted comments.

P.s. I’m writing here because I think that this post on lemmy.ml wouldn’t last long.

  • peregus@lemmy.worldOP
    2·
    1 day ago

    Every time Futo comes up, someone will insist it is open source, others will correct them, and soon more than 50% of a thread that is supposed to be about open source is people arguing about them.

    In the removed posts that you can see in the screenshots I don’t see anything you say.

    Probably more than that even; more than I want to count. The modlog is public.

    When I wrote the post, there were no trace of those messages in the modlog (or I’ve missed them, I’m not that into Lemmy, I admit that)

    The What’s the best open source keyboard for android? post where you commented has not been locked

    My bad, I must have confused them, sorry.

    I generally try to assume good faith but I’m pretty sure some Futo proponents are actually just trolling at this point.

    As stated above, I don’t see any trolling in the comments scrreenshotted (and deleted). But over that, I think that deleting those messages is censorship. I still believe in free speech and I can’t see any hate or misinformation in those messages.

    Note that while your comment was not advocating for futo per se, it was (successfully) encouraging others to continue the offtopic discussion. You could have answered your question by reading the modlog.

    It was a chit chat, what’s wrong with that? It feels like school were you had to just pay attention to what the professor was saying and woe betide anyone who turns their head.

    • Arthur Besse@lemmy.ml
      1·
      3 hours ago

      But over that, I think that deleting those messages is censorship. I still believe in free speech and I can’t see any hate or misinformation in those messages.

      I believe in free speech too, and I think moderated spaces for discussion help enable it. (Think about this…)

      Nobody claimed there was hate in any of messages in that thread; you observing that there wasn’t is knocking down a straw man, and using the word censorship here is just hyperbole.

      There are however unambiguously factually incorrect assertions in some of the offtopic messages I removed from that thread.

      • peregus@lemmy.worldOP
        1·
        46 minutes ago

        I believe in free speech too, and I think moderated spaces for discussion help enable it. (Think about this…)

        I don’t see any misinformation on the deleted messages, if you can see in the ones that I’ve screenshotted, please tell me which one.

        There are however unambiguously factually incorrect assertions in some of the offtopic messages I removed from that thread.

        Again, please tell me what is offtopic. Is offtopic asking why FUTO is bad in a post where someone suggested a FUTO keyboard? If so, then a message like this one

        you generally don’t need an AV on android, unless you do really shady downloads. only download from fdroid, google play, github, apkmirror, and maybe some mod apk websites, the more known ones

        should be remove, and so this one:

        Yeah jail everyone doing piracy too (they also might do that lmao) im reporting every republican I know using an illegal firestick,ill make california blue

        But the world is not only black and white (every single message MUST have an open source software in it), but its a shades of all colors!

        IMHO free speach speech is let people write what they think, moderate misinformation only when there already is no clarification from others so that it’s clear to everyone that a message is misinformation.

        But Arthur, you’re a moderator of your server where you make the rules. I now understand what others were saying about your instance and I’ll just leave it. All the best!

        Edit: typo

        • Arthur Besse@lemmy.ml
          1·
          1 hour ago

          IMHO free speach is let people write what they think, moderate misinformation only when there already is no clarification from others so that it’s clear to everyone that a message is misinformation.

          imho “free speach” is a typo, and one often made by people with the funny idea that free speech means any form of content moderation is a violation of their rights 😏

          I don’t see any misinformation on the deleted messages, if you can see in the ones that I’ve screenshotted, please tell me which one.

          look again; two of the comments in your screenshots (and many more that i deleted) are explicitly claiming that futo makes open source software:

          click to expand for screenshots of your screenshots

          and, the rest of them are discussing and/or promoting futo, which, again, is a commercial product which many people incorrectly believe to be open source due to its maker’s now-recanted false statements to that effect, and therefore offtopic (“spam” would also be a fair label for some of it) in a community about open source.

          also, note that i did not even delete 100% of the comments about futo in that thread! i left enough that any good-faith reader should be able to see why further discussion of futo is offtopic there, and, i even linked to this thread you started, to give anyone who wanted to discuss it further a place to do so.

          if you still believe that deletion of (most, and not even all in the thread) offtopic/spam comments is a free speech issue… ok, i don’t know what else to tell you. all the best to you too.

          • peregus@lemmy.worldOP
            1·
            45 minutes ago

            imho “free speach” is a typo, and one often made by people with the funny idea that free speech means any form of content moderation is a violation of their rights 😏

            This says it all! Bye