Subscription models only make sense for an app/service that have recurring costs. In the case of Lemmy apps, the instances are the ones with recurring hosting costs, not the apps.
If an app doesn’t have recurring hosting costs, it only makes sense to have one up front payment and then maybe in app purchases to pay for new features going forward
Isn’t app development a recurring cost? It’s not like you just work on it for a bit and just forget about it once you got a version out. Especially if it’s using a service (lemmy) that is still in development and is constantly changing.
Preach. Not sure why this is so hard for folks to understand.
App development isn’t and never has been an one-time done deal. Devs always do the work to fix bugs, add new features / requests, upgrade to new platform / API etc. If they do this for free that is at their will but they are burning their own time / money one way or another. To demand a developer to run their business a certain way and mandate their business model is just mind-blowing to me.
I get the distinct impression that everyone bitching about the fees are people that have never had to develop for end users and maintain the fucking thing.
Yep, and it’s even worse for mobile apps because people are so used to the terrible dollar-per-app model, despite the fact that these mobile apps are actually THE software they use everyday.
Apple and Google don’t care, they get 30% cut regardless whether the dev makes $100 / sale or $1 / sale at higher volume. But it was a good strategy to shift the power over to the iOS and Android platforms because the perception is, dollar-per-app devs can’t be that important, right? And they’ll never get too big.
Personally, I don’t need yet another subscription service.
That being said, I’ve used Sync for years (Pro, so just ad removal, one time fee.), and just paid again for ad removal. I did this because I enjoy the app, and appreciate the effort that goes into creating and maintaining it.
I have no qualms about paying a person for quality work.
And then making money tracking you too
Tracking is for ads only, when ads are disabled then so is the tracking.
Link is broken
I think there’s something wrong with lemmy.world, this is the post. The developer posts to confirm the tracking is turned off. Sorry the direct link didn’t work.
https://lemmy.world/post/2538321
Edit: a federated comment link: https://programming.dev/comment/1561763
It’s wild what lemmy.world has done. If your referrer is lemmy.world itself, a click off their web page, it loads the comment. But if you come from another lemmy instance or just put the link directly into your browser address bar, they reject it with ERR_INVALID_RESPONSE - I can’t recall having seen a website do this to try and prevent attacks.
I also have the same problem… BUT it happens if simply try to open a comment on a new window using the link.
several people have confirmed it… I haven’t seen them explain how exactly, but they seem convinced it is causing crashes so they blocked it. Lemmy is practically in the realm of voodoo PostgreSQL at this point. Since April or May it’s been scaling very poorly as data gets added.
Yeah how dare them try to make a salary out of their labour. OUTRAGEOUS!
The thing I really don’t understand, and what is really starting to annoy me, is that you don’t have to use it.
I used sync for years. I even bought the pro version to get rid of ads. When I saw the price for the new app I decided that I didn’t want to pay that and moved the fuck on.
I understand why the price was what it was. This is how this person makes their living. I don’t want to pay what they’re charging and that’s that. Complaining about it seems childish, and now I realize I’m complaining about people complaining.
All of this is nonsense.
If I understand correctly, every sync feature that requires the subscription (and cannot be purchased by a one time fee) requires the sync dev to run a constantly online server. Translation makes calls to translation services that cost money, push notifications require a push server since Lemmy servers don’t include support for it, etc. Removing ads doesn’t cost sync ongoing cash which is why you can get it for a one time fee.
Seems reasonable to me.
I don’t really get how everyone focuses on the ad-free feature as if it’s the only thing that Sync Ultra provides. It also provides text recognition in images, translation in-app, (both requiring constant server work) and will eventually support push notifications (again requiring server work). On top of that, LJ has stated he wants to work on this app full-time, which is only possible if he earns a living from it.
If those features aren’t interesting to a user, there’s always the one-time ad removal option (I’ll admit which is a bit pricey but per OP’s post, is a one time fee and not a subscription).
All apps have a recurring cost if the dev is continuing to develop the app. At the scale these apps are working the labor the dev puts in in the most expensive part. Plus Lemmy is continually updating so to keep the app working the dev will need to continually update.
Much as I liked Sync for Reddit I’m not willing to participate in subscription pricing for something like this, nor am I willing to pay a breathtaking $100 for a lifetime license or a still high $20 for ad removal. Keeping it in perspective, Sync is an Android app that provides nothing more than a nice UI for lemmy.
It will take some time for the number of Lemmy users and Sync customers to ramp up. IMO the dev is trying to quickly replace his lost Sync for Reddit revenue by charging excessively high prices for Sync for Lemmy. He’s lucky so many of you want to pay him but I, for one, will pass on Sync and use other apps with more reasonable pricing.
This comment was written on Infinity for Lemmy which is working just fine.
$16/year for ultra seems pretty reasonable to me.
Well, there are recurring costs, such as:
- App/Play store developer license - like $100/year, so not huge
- development efforts to fix bugs, implement features; even just keeping up with Lemmy backend changes is a fair amount of work since it’s constantly changing
- many development tools require hosting, such as CI/CD, so even if it’s 100% outside contributor driven, there are still costs
But those costs are pretty fixed.
Hosting an instance, however, is an order of magnitude or two more expensive. Instead of costing up to hundreds per year (not counting dev time), hosting tends to cost hundreds per month for larger instances.
So if people are continually coming to an app, I could see a fixed purchase price being different, and ads are probably enough to support it entirely on a free tier. An instance requires ongoing donations instead.
What does this have to do with Lemmy as a platform?
33$ !
I assume you’re talking about Sync? You’re in luck because you could do a one time payment if you wanted to.
Doesn’t the Sync Dev (LJDawson) work on Sync fulltime?
Yes And the only reason we had sync for Lemmy so rapidly is that he worked full time on sync for reddit too but he found himself without a stable income from night to day when the API stuff happened.
Of course they want a constant revenue stream. I want a constant revenue stream as well, isn’t it normal?
Whether the price is worth paying for you is a different matter but wanting to profit off your hard and good work is completely natural to me.
I generally agree, though I could be convinced of recurring payment in the case of high speed APIs that need a lot of updates to keep working. Chasing an API can be a lot of work.
Of course, a solution to that is having an up-front payment and letting people update as they wish–if there’s new value in the new releases presumably they will.
Something has gone wrong in software development where software can never be finished.
If you release an app on Google Play and never touch it again, eventually Google will pull it from the store and customers will complain that it no longer runs on new devices. Android 16 will require that all applications now do something, and refuse to run any that do not.
This is the real structural source of the constant subscription demands. Nobody is willing to commit to supporting a stable API for 10 or 20 years, and nobody will keep coming in to bump dependency versions and rewrite systems to Google or Apple’s new whims every year unless they get paid for this apparently useless work.
