Wasn’t Rossman’s whole point that people that clowning on others for buying Apple instead of clowning on Apple is aiding Apple anyway?
If Apple get away with it, Samsung’ll do it. So will Huawei, and Google, and Motorola. Apple users are not good punching bags
I have no interest in changing an obviously uneducated opinion.
I’ll continue to enjoy my iPhone, my development MacBook Pro, my Windows gaming rig, my Linux server, and everything else that I choose to buy because I use all of it, happily every day.
Been using Android for over a decade now. With the recent removal of 3.5mm jacks, I had to look into usb-c to 3.5mm adapters, because I prefer using my wired IEMs.
It turns out the apple usb-c to 3.5mm adapter is actually top notch, and only costs $9. Plenty of folks use that as an upgrade for their computers built in soundboard, because the digital to analog converter on the adapter is excellent and superior to most built in soundboards.
I’ve always liked their earbuds, they’re the only reputable manufacturers that still use the old style rather than those SkullCandy or beats ass inserts that don’t fit in my ear, so they’re the only headphones I can actually use. The old Bose inserts worked for me too but idek if Bose makes that style anymore.
Their best value product haha
This is solid advice for anyone who loves their music.
I miss the 3.5 so much. Especially the LG G20(on onward) series. But it is not to be. But the apple adapter on your phone is a great substitute. I’ve done it for a while now.
Didn’t know it was used for folks on the comp, so that pretty neat to know.
Facts! They buy simply to show off the logo and demonstrate they can afford to hang in a walled garden.
Edit: iPhones are more “private and secure” out of the box, but it literally takes half a brain with 5 minutes in Android settings to surpass this LOW bar.
After over a decade on Android I’m going to switch to an iPhone for my next phone (once they go USB c). I have always bought flag ship Android phones and I haven’t been impressed lately. Awful customer service from Google with my latest Pixel 6 was the last straw. I don’t mind playing extra to make sure I have a working phone
You too? I started with Android 1.5 (or whatever the first Motorola Droid shipped with). At that time, Android felt so much closer to my OS of choice - a Linux distro - that I was excited to own a Google phone.
Over time I’ve been less than enthusiastic about what each iteration of the OS brings. Now that it’s near impossible to have root and not have to play Whack A Mole with hiding that root access from specific apps (never mind finding phones where you can unlock the bootloader), I’m out. Google is making it impossible to use your phone the way you want. Pixel phones aren’t attractive to me based on really spotty history.
Linux phones just aren’t there yet. I’ve owned a couple of Pinephones, but I want more from them than they can currently offer.
That leaves Apple. They have their issues, sure, but if I can’t have root control of my phone without massive hassle, then I might as well have a more polished experience. I’m envious of the free features my wife gets on her 2nd gen SE.
Yeah, I’ve lost all faith in Google and the direction they’re taking Android and the Internet
I went the other way, I don’t need my phone to do fancy shit because I have a PC, so I put GrapheneOS on it and have no regrets. I could even have a separate profile with google services on it if I wanted but I haven’t needed to.
I buy Fairphone!
I hope OLED becomes ethical enough one day for them to use it
Great choice, maybe I will have the money one day but at least I know what I would spend it on!
Hi, I have an iPhone and like it because it’s the best device for my needs and Android doesn’t have a critical app I use, and workarounds on Android break things. My case is rare, I admit, but it’s true. I would happily switch to a Pixel once that app’s available on Android.
Assuming that just because I buy a company’s products means I like everything they do is an awfully Rossmanny take though. I like the guy well enough but the blanket statements on things where he doesn’t consider any reasoning other than his worldview absolutely frustrates me.
But the same can be said for some Apple fanboys. The absolute foaming at the mouth when some people get a green text message blaming the customer for buying an Android phone rather than thinking about Apple’s lack of interest in industry standards absolutely baffles me.
Android has many issues with privacy that don’t apply to iOS. While you can degoogle Android, some services don’t work as well and some apps won’t be available at all.
And hey, maybe that’s okay with you! Maybe your phone isn’t as big of an extension of your digital life as it is mine. Maybe it is, but you can get by on exclusively FOSS apps. I think all of that is fantastic, but I am not you, and you are not me, and I think the real sucker is the one who’s sowing division amongst people over how they use their personal devices.
I’m an android user and have been from the start.
However, I have tiny ears, so I can’t really use those in-ear earbuds that are common now. I did some research and frequently at the top of the lists for open earbuds that are Bluetooth are the…you might need to sit down for this…airpods. Yes, I know, crazy.
So here I am with airpods and a pixel 7. And they work great for $100 which isn’t a crazy price compared to earbuds from companies like Google or Sony. Yes, most Apple stuff is overpriced, but they make good hardware, and I wish fanboys would stop making everything so black and white.
I also 100% use airpods with my Samsung phone - I tried a few other models, and they were all garbage for one reason or another while my wife never had any issues with her airpods.
With the andropod app, you basically get first class support with them, and my pair has now been chugging along for a few years with no sign of dying on me.
Couldn’t agree more with your last sentence as well - the fact is that every single major tech brand has a myriad of issues. Apple is very far from perfect, but so is Google, and so is Samsung, and so is Microsoft. If buying from any of those companies makes you a sucker, then 99.99% of people are suckers - including most of the people standing on their soapboxes in this thread, as i highly doubt they’re all using purely OSS solutions on pine phones and old Thinkpads lol
That’s why all mine are hand-me-downs. My family are the suckers.
I ended up buying a Pixel 7 and slapping EndeavourOS Linux on all of my laptops and PC’s in the spur of the moment because I was sick of Windows and was not a fan of Apple. I dont regret it at all. I also grabbed a steam deck recently and I love it. Its so nice to not have to deal with the absolute bullshit that both microsoft and apple force you to go through. I have full control over my device and what goes in it. It’s quite nice.
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Louis has stated many times that shitting on consumers for buying Apple products is not productive.
not productive =/= not true
Mac is the only way work will let me use bash. You can pry my MacBook from my cold, dead, hands if it meant I have to go back to Windows/pwsh.
Does your work not allow Linux?
Nope 😂
That sucks
Used to sell Apple gear. One of the sales managers still owes me an apology for embarrassing me in front of customers, and then returning a week later and repeating what I said and not admitting they were wrong).
But, gave up on windows finally. The Xbox console gives me a black screen on Windows, and got sick of edge hijacking my chrome tabs and cookies
Apple’s attitude sucks, but at this point, Microsoft keeps doing weird things in Windows
My apple products (MBP) come from my employer
I hate the tribalism regarding Apple products. There are loyal fanboys who won’t hear a bad word about Apple, and then there are Apple haters who criticise everything about them.
I wish we had some more nuance in this debate. The reality is that there are advantages and disadvantages to Apple products. I’ll outline a few:
Advantages
- Long iOS support. Typically you can expect an iPhone to be supported for 5-7 years, which is well above the average in the industry.
- No bloatware or adverts on the iPhone
- Better privacy than Google Android/Microsoft Windows
- High-end hardware, e.g. M1 chip in MacBooks.
- User friendly design. Nice user experience.
Disadvantages
- Overpriced. Seriously all Apple products are more expensive than the competition.
- Anti-consumer business practices that influence the industry. They normalised removing the headphone jack and using non-removable batteries, which other manufacturers followed. Another anti-consumer practice is using their proprietary Lighting port, rather than USB (luckily the EU should be forcing them to adopt USB-C and removable batteries soon). Also, no SD card slot because they want you to use iCloud
- Walled garden. No support for side-loading apps
- Required to use iTunes to add/remove music to the iPhone, which is a problem if you use Linux (you’d have to use Wine to install the Windows version as a workaround)
I agree with everything you said except the lightning port. The lightning port came out 4 years before USB C did and it did a much better job than any other port on the market at the time. Apple wasn’t going to make that investment if they weren’t going to stick with it for a while, for one every iPhone user would hate having to switch cables again that quickly, but also there was no guarantee USB C was going to succeed. Apple even participated in creating the USB C spec, as I detailed in another comment. Honestly I think the lightning port is actually better than USB C for what it does: incredibly thin, non clogging, waterproof phone port.
They should not have used it for other junk like the fucking Magic Mouse or whatever other mice or keyboard peripherals there were used for.
The issue isn’t that Apple made the lightning port. The issue is that USB C has been standard on THEIR OWN DEVICES since 2012. I understand not wanting to switch immediately after introducing a new port, but I would argue that USB has been the clear winner ever since the Switch came out in 2017, which was still 6 YEARS ago.
Apple would not have changed to an objectively better port if it weren’t for the EU regulations.
Also, lightning better than USB-C? A USB 2.0 port that transfers at 1/100th the speed? You’re insane.
It’s literally impossible for USB C to have been
standard on THEIR OWN DEVICES since 2012.
It wasn’t even announced until 2012, much less have any sort of spec. The spec wasn’t even finalized by the USB Implementers Forum until 2014 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C
Apple would not have changed to an objectively better port if it weren’t for the EU regulations.
… they already switched on all their other devices. Why would they have not switched eventually?
Also, lightning better than USB-C? A USB 2.0 port that transfers at 1/100th the speed? You’re insane.
Yes. I don’t give one shit about transfer speed, just like the majority of phone users (not just iPhone users - all phone users). You sync using the cloud. If you’re using a cable to sync you are in the minority
I use Iphone and Ipad just for the banking. I distrust Android. It is an open system, and used a lot more for data collection than Apple’s ecosystem is. The return you get from a data request between apple and an Android system is vast. I refuse to use Facebook and the likes.
I never buy the latest edition of Iphone anymore. I have done in the past, but the idea of spending £1200 on a phone seems stupid to me. I have very few apps on both the Iphone and Ipad. I use a PC for other stuff. Iphone hardware is good with the CPU side of things, but the cameras are very inferior compared to some android phones.
I use a windows PC to move my own music to my iphone, but it is a hampered system. I really do not understand why they have not been brought to the spotlight of the monopolies commission because of how bad they hinder transfers. I have a process I have to follow to get new music on my iphone. Anyone who wants movies on their apple products should look at VLC. It is the easiest method. I should add I haven’t added new music for a long time. This could have changed, but I would be sceptical until I saw it for myself.
I look down on anyone buying a Macbook. They are total dogcrap, and massively overpriced. They are designed to fail in many areas, the latest being the SSDs that are causing surges in the motherboard, which destroys it. Apple constructively inhibits any repairs behind software encoding and pressure it puts on 3rd party suppliers. They lobby US government to restrict self repairs. You are literally throwing money into Apple’s bank account for very little return.
Intel macbooks deserve the hate, but the apple silicon ones are genuinely impressive to the point of being worth it until the competition catches up in terms of ARM performance, especially in terms of battery life.
I don’t know, I have an M1 Mac Mini and it is awful, I’ll never buy another M chip. It’s fast when you’re just using a single program, but having more things open and it slows right to a crawl. Plus it’s inability to do actual virtualisation is a real pain.
Very odd… i multitask and run both paravirtualized (arm) and virtualized (x86) linux and windows without issues. You are more likely on the base model and out of RAM.
It is the base model, I have about 2gb of ram free but it does run out quickly and due to apple bullshit there’s no way to just open it and upgrade the ram (also, how the hell do they think 8gb is acceptable?). And they’re capable of emulation, but not true virtualisation and things like VirtualBox don’t run at all, unless that’s changed recently because I admit I haven’t looked into it since I found it was impossible after I got the machine.
Also once I have a single docker container running, it causes things like chrome to crash all the time, and I can’t even run chrome, vscode, insomnia and a docker container together. Absolutely trash machine, doesn’t compare even slightly to my 6 year old i7-8700k machine that’s fully customisable. I don’t see any reason to ever get another arm machine, and definitely not another Mac.
8GB is more than enough for someone who only does a little light web browsing and sending the occasional e-mail. Anyone who needs more from their computer is expected to know better and not order the base model. 32GB is workable, 64GB is better.
I have a MB pro with M1 Max and 64GB RAM and it’s an absolute beast. I can throw everything at it and it doesn’t break a sweat, and I’m a demanding user. I’m a developer and have a lot of software running all the time, 400+ tabs open in Safari, lots of PDF files and other documents open. I’m also running it with 2 high-res monitors (5k2k ultrawide and a 4k). Lots of work related apps (e.g. Teams, Outlook, and bullshit like that). The fan doesn’t even come on. Not even when I compile a large codebase using all 10 cores. It’s an absolute monster. And all that in a 14” laptop. Easily the best computer I ever used.
